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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Should all US soldiers aroundnthe world just set aside their weapons?? It sounds like suicide to me...
    Our you trying to make some sort of slippery slope argument that they will make it illegal to shoot back.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No actually it's not when an unlawful combatant hides amongst civilians, in fact that is the war crime, using human shields does not make one immune from counterattack I suggest you brush up on your international law:
    So, according to you. If we claim there are unlawful combatants somewhere. We can go into any sovereign nation and bomb civilian areas. Nice.

    You know, part of the contention brought by Pakistan is that there weren't unlawful combatants at some of those places and that we are killing WAY more innocents than we are getting in "unlawful combatants".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    One thing we must do is to change that. You have to affect the hearts and minds of the people there to hope to have some form of positive change.
    That in 1984 as well?

    Tell me, the moniker I use, Charles Martel, among your library of reading material, have you read about his exploits, even know who he was?

    I wonder if he concerned himself for the hearts and minds.

    Education, it's a wonderful thing.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    That in 1984 as well?

    Tell me, the moniker I use, Charles Martel, among your library of reading material, have you read about his exploits, even know who he was?

    I wonder if he concerned himself for the hearts and minds.

    Education, it's a wonderful thing.
    Is Charles your idea of a 'war winner' or something?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'll take my points for this:

    You are a ****ing retard and if brains were gun powder, you wouldn't have enough to blow your goddamned nose, jackass.

    I want some documentation of your absurd claim that Afghanistan appointed Bin Laden as CiC or whatever other absurd nonsense you were spewing.

    ****ing moron.
    Um AQ was part and parcel to the Taliban government led by Mullah Omar, they had a seat on the Taliban's ministry of defense, there was a special branch of the Taliban military known as the 055 brigade which was made up exclusively of AQ fighters, and the Taliban granted them a safe haven in which to train and from which to launch attacks.

    I don't know if this was your point but when people claim that the Taliban didn't attack us it's like saying that if the CIA decided to bomb a building in; say, Saudi Arabia, that it wasn't the U.S. government attacking them. The Taliban was a co-conspirator in the 9-11 attacks and are thus just as guilty as AQ proper.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    That in 1984 as well?
    Nope. Are there really people who haven't read that book? It's surprising.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Tell me, the moniker I use, Charles Martel, among your library of reading material, have you read about his exploits, even know who he was?
    Which one? The king of Hungry, the warship, the American librarian, or the Frankish military and political leader?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I wonder if he concerned himself for the hearts and minds.

    Education, it's a wonderful thing.
    I wonder if he was fighting occupational war with entrenched and ideological combatants thousands of miles away from his home land, looking not to take over, but rather to convert and establish other forms of governments. In other words, I wonder how comparable the two situations really are.

    Education is a wonderful thing, you should think about getting some.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um AQ was part and parcel to the Taliban government led by Mullah Omar, they had a seat on the Taliban's ministry of defense, there was a special branch of the Taliban military known as the 055 brigade which was made up exclusively of AQ fighters, and the Taliban granted them a safe haven in which to train and from which to launch attacks.

    I don't know if this was your point but when people claim that the Taliban didn't attack us it's like saying that if the CIA decided to bomb a building in; say, Saudi Arabia, that it wasn't the U.S. government attacking them. The Taliban was a co-conspirator in the 9-11 attacks and are thus just as guilty as AQ proper.
    But was Osama ze kommander in cheef?
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can you stay on target for more than 3 seconds? That's not up for debate.
    Re-read the OP. Or confess to changing your tune.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure, the firebombing of Tokyo was an atrocity,
    No, it wasn't.

    It was war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So it looks like the past 8 years then. We've lost, what 4K more Americans in a quagmire of wars without end? Nice.
    You elected your Messiah, don't blame me.

    Your Messiah has been playing basketball and golf, campaigning for socialized medicine, and pimping Chicago to get the Olympics when he should be doing his job, which to either arrive at a working definition of victory and a plan to achieve it, or developing a plan for withdrawal. That boy is getting industrial strength splinters from the fence he's straddling, and he very indecision is encouragement for our enemies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So the same as the current situation. Failure, in essence, is what we're currently doing. Awesome.
    Exactly, when we should be kicking ass.

    Karzai ran a corrupt election, haul his ass out to the nearest poppy field and shoot him. Now, I realize fully that Democrats don't see where crooked elections are bad, but that's what should be done.

    As for what should be done militarily, we need to make it clear that we're only there to kill Taliban, but that we're going to kill them wherever we find them. Which means getting serious about our Mosque-to-Rubble Program.

    Eradicating opium shouldn't be our concern, nor any issue not related to the military problem at hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So we don't have to respect sovereignty of other nations, yet demand they respect ours.
    When they're harboring enemies who've murdered 3,000 of my fellow citizens? **** no. The helper of my enemy is my enemy, and should be shot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We can engage in wars against innocent life
    All life? You worried about the grass and the bacteria? BTW, you are probably not aware of this, but "innocence" has no application on the battlefield. That word is a legal word, and they're being shot at for the simple reason they're where the target is. "Innocence" and "guilt" have no business on the battlefield and the soldier flying the RPV doesn't have any reason to worry abou them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Terrorists attacked us for no reason 8 years ago. 8 years ago we started a war against Afghanistan.
    No, eight years ago Aghanistan employed terrorists to attack us, thereby starting the war we are still fighting.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So, according to you. If we claim there are unlawful combatants somewhere. We can go into any sovereign nation and bomb civilian areas. Nice.
    Yes, if they are part of an organization that has attacked us and is part and parcel to the government of that country as AQ was to the Taliban government, and/or if they had a seat on that governments ministry of defense as AQ sat on the Talibans ministry of defense, and/or if there was a special branch of that governments military which was made up exclusively of those unlawful combatant fighters, and/or if these unlawful combatants were granted a safe haven in which to train and from which to launch attacks.

    The Taliban was a co-conspirator in the 9-11 attacks and are thus just as guilty as AQ proper.

    You know, part of the contention brought by Pakistan is that there weren't unlawful combatants at some of those places and that we are killing WAY more innocents than we are getting in "unlawful combatants".
    As to Pakistan, to bad so sad, if they are unwilling on incapable of rooting out those who have attacked our country and who we are at war with then we have the right to launch attacks within their borders as per Article 51 of the UN Charter:

    Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope. Are there really people who haven't read that book? It's surprising.
    What's really surprising is that there are socialists who've read the book and then voted for the Messiah.

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