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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Right.

    So we should outlaw using RPV's and use F-18's to kill the terrorists.

    Better, yet, let's pretend their just criminals, not terrorists, and send the Messiah's Keystone Kopps in to slap the cuffs on them.

    It's amazing how the Left, who know nothing about war, feels confident in their silly solutions to real world problems.

    I see the thread got off track. The issue is RPF vs some other means of killing. Not the fact of killing itself.
    Can you stay on target for more than 3 seconds? That's not up for debate. Sure, the firebombing of Tokyo was an atrocity, a true black mark on the history of humanity. But it has nothing to do with the current situation. Nor does the fact that we have other machines of war. Bringing up deflection does nothing. Pay attention, for the love of all that is holy please just pay attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    More importantly, why hasn't your Messiah defined "victory" in that theatre and outlined a course expected to achieve it?
    This is nothing but horrible, partisan crap. If you want to be taken seriously, you're going to have to use a bit more logic and rationale. Not knee jerk responses trying to label me as something I'm not or insinuating I voted or feel a way in which I did not/do not. A little honesty here is all I'm looking for.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, because your Messiah is incompetent and has done nothing right yet for anything.
    So no to the honesty then huh? Too bad.

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    Dead Americans without victory.
    So it looks like the past 8 years then. We've lost, what 4K more Americans in a quagmire of wars without end? Nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Dead Americans.
    So the same as the current situation. Failure, in essence, is what we're currently doing. Awesome.

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    I have.
    I haven't seen it demonstrated on your behalf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Power IS, it has no such thing as "legitimacy". The word you're seeking is "authority".

    And the answer is an unequivocable "yes".
    So we don't have to respect sovereignty of other nations, yet demand they respect ours. We can engage in wars against innocent life with no regard for that life by justifying some assbackwards logic loop about "dead Americans" (Americans die every day, in well more numbers than terrorism could ever get us...we don't freak out about that). The government was not granted this authority.

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    1776, if you want to pretend it's God.
    No, back then they understood the natural limits to government and its powers.

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    Hmmmm...the "root" cause....well, we helped Afghanistan defeat the Soviets, then we followed their wishes and left them alone.

    Then they attacked us for no reason.
    Terrorists attacked us for no reason 8 years ago. 8 years ago we started a war against Afghanistan. 8 years later all we have to show for it is more dead Americans, and unprecedented debt. I think your method is clearly stupid and will lead us nowhere. Obviously, it's time to try something else.

    Also, we should probably not train terrorists anymore.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Wait...using unmanned planes to kill a bunch of civilians is against international law! Absurd.
    No actually it's not when an unlawful combatant hides amongst civilians, in fact that is the war crime, using human shields does not make one immune from counterattack I suggest you brush up on your international law:

    Both Protocal 1 and article 28 of the Geneva Convention (IV) make clear that "the deliberate intermingling of civilians and combatants designed to create a situation in which any attack against combatants would necessarily entail an excessive number of casualties is a flagrant breach of the Law of International Armed Conflict," according to international law scholar Yoram Dinstein (see his The Conduct of International Armed Conflict, Cambridge University Press, 2004, pp. 129-130).

    Article 51 (7) of Protocal 1 states: "The presence or movements of the civilian population shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular attempts to sheild military objectives from attacks or to sheild, favour, or impede military operations." And the Geneva Convention (IV) holds that "the presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points of areas immune from military operations." (Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, 1949, Laws of Armed Conflict, 495, 511."

    Moreover, the Rome Statute is clear that "utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune operations is recognized as a war crime by Article (2) (b) (xxiii)". (Dinstein, p. 130)

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    removed post....
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, facts do tend to pass you by.
    I'll take my points for this:

    You are a ****ing retard and if brains were gun powder, you wouldn't have enough to blow your goddamned nose, jackass.

    I want some documentation of your absurd claim that Afghanistan appointed Bin Laden as CiC or whatever other absurd nonsense you were spewing.

    ****ing moron.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Question lacks relevance.
    Idiot lacks documentation for his absurd claims.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    According to you throughout this thread the "root cause" seems to be America itself.


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    Nope. But nice misrepresentation. The root cause isn't America, it's the perception of America by the resident people. We've done some mean things which haven't helped our cause at all. But America isn't inherently evil or anything. What's wrong is that we've done some bad things, and those things have had direct impact of the people of the land. Those people haven't seen our good things, or what we can positively do for them. You loop in some good ol' state propaganda, close off information, and you set yourself up a cycle which encourages irrational hatred against America.

    One thing we must do is to change that. You have to affect the hearts and minds of the people there to hope to have some form of positive change.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So now it is the fault of the UN, that a treaty written decades ago, decades before the technology was made available, suddenly is at fault when the treaty does not meet the realities of the world today?

    Not to mention this..
    Can you please explain how in any way, shape, or form, using precision weapons during a defensive war against unlawful combatants is tantamount to extrajudicial killings?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'll take my points for this:

    You are a ****ing retard and if brains were gun powder, you wouldn't have enough to blow your goddamned nose, jackass.

    I want some documentation of your absurd claim that Afghanistan appointed Bin Laden as CiC or whatever other absurd nonsense you were spewing.

    ****ing moron.
    Done with him too, J?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Pretty much anyone that gets shot period is a summary execution attempt. Should all US soldiers around the world just set aside their weapons?? It sounds like suicide to me...
    Thank you

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

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    Done with him too, J?
    Yep. You two are peas in a pod.

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