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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That bolded part...it's the type of hyperemotional, bull****, garbage discourse that dumbs down the real debate
    The real debate is you're silly notion that a person killed by RPV is more valuable than a person killed by F-18.

    You're refusing to discuss that. Since you must have a reason for your deliberate silliness on this matter, I chose the most flattering image of you possible.

    The other possiblities for your refusal to hold intelligent discourse on this matter all refer to your probable inate ability to be rational.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    First of all, the issue isn't the mode of delivery when it comes to collateral damage. The issue is choosing a form of engagement which minimizes collateral damage.
    Actually, you could try reading the OP. The issue is precisely which tools should be used to accomplish the same task, an RPV or a manned aircraft.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, but some Pakistani civilians are harboring these terrorists perpetuating the war are they not?


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    And which ones are harboring them? Or do you just have a "kill em all because they are sand ni**ers" attitude?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And the physical facts of the matter are that complaints and issues have been raised over the use of our drones in what we are targeting and killing. If you can't keep focused on that, maybe ritalin or something can help ya out.
    See what I mean?

    You're assigning moral values to a weapons platform instead of the actions.

    Instead of complaining about the policy of killing the enemy, you're complaining about the policy of using RPV's to kill the enemy.

    Your refusal to see the distinction doesn't appear to be my problem.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You did what?

    You haven't addressed the argument.

    Explain the moral difference between killing an enemy with a bullet from a soldier's rifle, a bullet from a cannon on an RPV, a bomb from an F-18, and a bomb delivered by Tomahawk.

    We're waiting.
    Wait. Hold your breath. Starve yourself until you get the answer you want.

    I'm not answering an irrelevant question because the question you keep mindlessly repeating over and over again has zero to do with the arguments being presented.

    But that's how you operate. You attempt to reframe everything around some irrelevant point that was NEVER made and then tear apart what you find convenient to attribute to the other side. Frankly, it's only exceeded in vacuous idiocy by it's shrillness.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The real debate is you're silly notion that a person killed by RPV is more valuable than a person killed by F-18.

    You're refusing to discuss that.
    You're right. I am refusing to discuss that because it isn't the argument being made, much as you need it to be.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not all we do, but we certainly do it. The contention is that the use of unmanned drones has caused significant civilian casualty, not that the base use of them is wrong or illegal. I mean, you can ignore reality if you want. Think we're getting all the nasty terrorists and nothing more. But that sort of head in the sand attitude isn't going to fix the problem. Especially when significant civilian death leads to exacerbating the anti-American attitudes of entire groups of people. Attitudes which are used as propaganda for terrorists. But whatever. There are no negative consequences for our actions....ever. Got it.
    That's right! We don't want to hurt anybody's feelings over there.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    See what I mean?

    You're assigning moral values to a weapons platform instead of the actions.

    Instead of complaining about the policy of killing the enemy, you're complaining about the policy of using RPV's to kill the enemy.

    Your refusal to see the distinction doesn't appear to be my problem.
    No, I'm not. that's your deflect. We aren't using those other weapons in our attacks on Pakistan. I'm sure if we had a bomber running out bombing civilian neighborhoods, there would still be argument and contention over the act. But currently, we use drones for that. The critique is that the drones are killing well more civilians than terrorists; so much so that they're bordering on breaking international law (which we've agreed to). Can you stay on target for one post?
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not answering an irrelevant question
    Sorry, you weren't elected to judge the relevance of questions, you weren't elected at all.

    The relevance is that some clod in the UN is complaining about the use of RPV's on the battlefield, as opposed to manned aircraft to achieve the same goals.

    You want to discuss another issue, start another thread.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    That's right! We don't want to hurt anybody's feelings over there.
    don't be stupid. If you want to comment on a post, please read it and understand it. Do not take single sentences out of context with no bearing towards the argument put forth.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Killing people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time does not make them the enemy.

    It is, of course, regrettable that this happens, but that civilians die when military targets are destroyed in an unaviodable fact of war, especially when those legitimate targets deliberately endanger said civilians by hiding among them.
    The problem is in the targeting it self. Notice the sewers we have here in America? Well in other countries those are 'underground smuggling routes'. If they have no standing army then how can we really excuse things that take out massive amounts of people (almost ever single precision drop) with a remote push of a button?
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