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    Lieberman to vote against public option

    Lieberman to vote against public option
    By Alexander Bolton - 10/27/09 01:48 PM ET

    Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democrat-turned-Independent from Connecticut, said Tuesday that he will not vote for a healthcare reform bill that includes a government-run insurance plan.

    This means that as things now stand, Democrats will not have enough votes to pass healthcare reform with a so-called public option unless Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) can pick up unexpected GOP votes.

    Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine), the only Republican to vote for the Senate Finance Committee’s healthcare bill, said Tueday that she would vote against bringing up a bill that included a government-run insurance program unless the implementation of such a program were set to a trigger.
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    Lieberman to vote against public option - TheHill.com
    I wonder how many more they will lose?


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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    My guess is he's just angling for some concession from the administration. I cannot see him standing in the way of government healthcare.

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    My guess is he's just angling for some concession from the administration. I cannot see him standing in the way of government healthcare.
    I don't know about that considering the following.
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    “We’re trying to do too much at once,” said Lieberman. “To put this government-created, government-run insurance company on top of everything else is just asking for trouble for the taxpayer, for the premium payer and for the national debt. I don’t think we need it now.”

    Lieberman said he was not placated by allowing states to opt out of the public option “because it still creates a whole new federal government entitlement program, for which taxpayers will eventually be on the line.”
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    1. Wow.

    2. Jibing Joe Lieberman, the democrat nominee for veep in 2000, vows to support a GOP filibuster to halt Harry's hopes, the leader's likeliest alleyway to legislation, the states opt-out, adopted just yesterday after months of manifest turmoil.

    3. Health care's dead.

    4. Evan Bayh, Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln and Mary Landrieu also expressed "deep reservations" with Reid's most recent resolve.

    5. And they're just the Senators upset enough to speak out.

    6. Lieberman is, in a sense, the reverse Olympia Snowe, that is, he provides cover for more than a dozen dems to dance away to freedom.

    9. Others Senators known to worry over Reid's resolution include Dorgan, Pryor, Webb, Warner, Kohl, Bill Nelson, Cardin, Carper, Hagan, Johnson, Feinstein, Feingold, McCaskill, Conrad and Byrd.

    10. And that's in addition to Landrieu, Lincoln, Bayh, Ben Nelson and Jibing Joe the Jilter.

    11. Reid can try to start again, but this late in the game to begin anew APPEARS too improvisational.

    12. You can't reform 16% of the US economy like this on the fly.

    13. You must LOOK, at least, like you know what you're doing.

    14. Reid declared yesterday the opt-out his best shot.

    15. Within 24 hours, it's belly up.

    16. The "wizard vote counter" can't add to 60.

    17. Kent Conrad was correct all along, the votes simply aren't there.

    18. Too many troubles---like a half trillion dollars of marasma to Medicare and Medicaid, mandates and fines on individuals who can't afford em, accounting gimmickry most disingenuous, burdens on states already bankrupt, taxes on small business in the midst of Depression...

    19. But resentment surely played a major role, mature members being asked to stick their necks out for a piece put together in private by a piddly cabal of loser elites, behind the leader's locked door, with NO input from those respectables ultimately required to pay the supreme price for the plan's problems.

    20. Bayh echoed the noncomformist from Connecticut, declaring that unless the $40B tax on device makers is removed, "they would definitely not have my support" to bust an opposition filibuster.

    Reid's Push for Public Option Creates New Barriers for Bill - WSJ.com

    21. Lieberman spoke equally evilly against the trigger.

    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Lieberman rejects public option, won’t vote for cloture - Blogs from CNN.com

    22. Reid reacted to Lieberman's bombshell most revealingly: "Joe Lieberman is the least of Harry Reid's problems," lamented the leader who lost his way.

    23. Wow, quite an admission.

    24. There are other health care developments today, but Lieberman's lob leaves them moot.

    25. The House, according to head counting Hoyer, is significantly short of 218 for Plan Pelosi.

    Hoyer: Probably More Votes For Less-Robust Public Option In House | TPMDC

    26. The sticking point he points to is the party's split over compensation rates for doctors.

    27. The house bill embraces scheduling most sought after by progressives and painful to physicians---those tied to miniscule Medicare measures.

    28. But Congressman Stupak is serious about his bid to bring to the floor a bill that would de-fund abortion.

    29. Lieberman's loudly declared alignment provides the bluedog the cover libs looked for from Snowe.

    30. Pelosi's piece has no more possibility of passage downstairs than Reid's does in the upper house.

    31. It's time for the relevent-minded to discuss Afghanistan---health care is history.

    32. October is already the deadliest month in the history of the Afghan War, with 22 brave soldiers bereaved since Sunday, the third time in the last four months a new record for carnage has been established.

    October deadliest month for US in Afghan war - Yahoo! News

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    At least it means Lieberman will not get re-elected. He's for WAR and against HEALTH! Why doesn't he emigrate to Israel, where they understand this kind of mentality?

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    My guess is he's just angling for some concession from the administration. I cannot see him standing in the way of government healthcare.
    Could be, but he's taken millions from the Insurance Co's, I wouldn't put it past him to give his owners one last gift before his constituants finally run him out of office for good.

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    No doubt this was a big deal, and bad news for public option supporters. However, it's not over yet!

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    At least it means Lieberman will not get re-elected. He's for WAR and against HEALTH! Why doesn't he emigrate to Israel, where they understand this kind of mentality?

    I wonder if it does. I guess it depends on if the Republicans mount a serious candidate in another 3-way race, and who the Dems nominate in that scenario; or if Joe runs as a Republican.

    If it does mean it means he will not get re-elected, I'm cool with that.

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    if lieberman means what he says, which he does, it means normal parliamentary procedure for moving health care is moot

    all that's left now for health care proponents is the nuke option, reconciliation

    problems are gigantic in going this route

    reconciliation is very limited in what it can accomplish, it can't for example mandate that individuals buy for themselves, it can't for example push m&m burdens on states...

    it can't do a lot of things

    MOST of what obamacare contemplates is off the table if the party chooses to go nuke option

    plus, reconciliation is extremely temporary, it must be reupped (I should know exactly how often, but i don't) very frequently

    obamacare intends LONG TERM fixes, most its goodies for example don't kick in til 2013, etc

    reconciliation can't even imagine such reforms

    finally, reconciliation LACKS LEGITIMACY

    it is not PERCEIVED as anything ever purposed to rewrite huge changes to ways of life, restructurings of 16% of our economy...

    etc, etc

    to go nuke option to do something as big as health care reform will create a backlash bigger than anything ever brooked by the likes of stephanopoulos, john king, david gregory even...

    the editorialists at the new york times

    the point---more than TWENTY FIVE DEMOCRATS will never support the nuke option, not for something like THIS

    diane feinstein will NEVER vote for health care via reconciliation

    lieberman twisted the last knife

    normal parliamentary procedure is kaput

    health care is dead

    he said he'd FILIBUSTER

    you all know what that means

    and within seconds of his saying it, even bayh piggied his back

    that is, there will be another EIGHT supporting jilting joe

    it's over

    i'm sorry, i guess, for those of you who loved it

    blame lieberman, bayh, lincoln, landrieu...

    blame the white house (that's what webb did)

    blame fox or the gop or rush

    blame me (LOL!)

    or don't blame, perhaps, pick yourselves up and move on

    best wishes

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    prayers for our president

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    Hope lives, Prof!
    Analyzing Lieberman's Threat

    Senate Democratic aides tell Political Wire that too much is being made of Sen. Joe Lieberman's declaration that he would back a Republican filibuster of health care reform legislation. They think he's just jockeying for influence and may even be there for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid when needed.

    Lieberman said he may vote for cloture to bring the bill to the Senate floor. Once there, he will likely back efforts to strip the public option from the bill through an amendment.

    First Read: "Right now Lieberman's with Reid. Reid needs a first down. And Lieberman's with Reid for that first down. Reid doesn't have enough votes quite yet for that first down, but Lieberman's with him -- for now."

    While Reid needs 60 votes to get the bill to the Senate floor for debate, The Hill says his ultimate strategy uses "a controversial legislative tactic called reconciliation that could require only a simple majority of 50 votes for final passage. That would allow the chamber's Democratic centrists to support the party on procedural votes and still vote against the final product."

    Analyzing Lieberman's Threat -- Political Wire

    Although, tbh, from where I'm sitting, I don't see how a filibuster threat on the back end instead of on the front end (see First Read) is less of a problem .... but, they say it is?

    And then too, is the nuke option you mentioned. I believe reconciliation is 10 yrs (which is why Bush's tax cuts expire 10 yrs soon).

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