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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I wonder how many more they will lose?


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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    jackalope, don't read much into what dem aides say

    when they're talking positive, that is, that's their job

    when they're being negative, now, that's when things get revealing

    keep in mind what reid says---he has the votes, he always has the votes

    how many times has pelosi said she's got the 218?

    how many times have you heard, we're gonna get this by recess, by thanksgiving

    baucus will be done by the end of this week, then the next, then the next

    that is, leadership, ie, the party, is COMPELLED to say these things, to put on the public face of optimism

    how can leadership express public doubt without killing its chances?

    never listen to leadership talking confident, always parse THAT

    lieberman did say he'd vote to begin debate, but he was unequivocal about cloture, contrary to what your blue box maintains

    read the links in my long piece, there are about 8 articles yesterday, go to rcp, lieberman goes on for paragraphs, he is unfortunately clear

    there's no surprise in any of this, we talked about this exact occurrence, you and i, 24 hours before it went down

    lieberman is not just lieberman, he represents at least a half dozen and probably twice that

    reconciliation is at most 1 year, and it by definition can't encode 2/3 of baucus/help's ambitions

    and how can a party that can't get more than 47 for a doc fix gonna get 51 for evil, evil reconciliation

    aint gonna happen

    of course, leadership might "say..."

    no, lieberman's public declaration is devastating

    they can bring it to floor for debate/amendments, and if they thoroughly rewrite it, start all over, then conceivably movement is possible

    all PO's, triggers, co ops, opts in, opts out, however, must be off the table

    either that, or lieberman (and at least a half dozen) are lying

    and reid's credibility on EVERYTHING after this is thru the floor

    (he's not the only one)

    reid needed ALL sixty, he couldn't lose a one

    his task was impossible from the start

    the party is fundamentally, dispositionally incapable of beginning anew with a limited little non PO

    it also can't pass the house, stoyer ADMITS he's short

    stupak's dogs and nye's hawks are serious, they wrote letters

    that's it

    the composition of the house makes a PO-less health care close to impossible

    reconciliation is a non starter, it's party suicide

    their problems, as they have been from the start, are insuperable

    one can always hope, i suppose

    you're a good democrat, you deserve far better, in my opinion

    people like you and me probably could have worked something out

    take care, my classy friend
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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I don't know about that considering the following.
    Whatever else lieberman is he's still a mainstream liberal democrat. Fact is it's only been 9 years since he was the democratic vp nominee.

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    Re: Lieberman to vote against public option

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    At least it means Lieberman will not get re-elected. He's for WAR and against HEALTH! Why doesn't he emigrate to Israel, where they understand this kind of mentality?
    Nice to know anti-semitism is alive and well in the democratic party.

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