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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I see that not only are you unable to follow a debate topic, but also incapable of comprehending the differences in the providing of transportation services versus the job Government has to enforce our laws and regulations to ensure the populations safety.
    I'm afraid you're the one with comprehension issues.

    Did you, or did you not state that "the Government should not be in the business of providing transportation services?"

    The fact is our government provides the populace with numerous important and much-needed transportation services, and I've offered a link to prove it. You seem to be saying that our government does not provide these services. You're wrong.

    Perhaps you are unclear on the definition of "services." *shrug*
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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I'll post the statistic significance one more time, for those with short attention spans and/or reading comprehension issues...





    You keep saying this, but offer no proof. *shrug*
    Ah, you're confusing Amtrak with generic "rail transit".

    We're discussing Amtrak, not Metrolink.

    Oh, btw: LA County's Metrolink recently opened a six mile long extension to the Gold Line, at a cost of $148 million dollars per mile. What advantage does the driver who doesn't use the Gold Line see in having his taxes raised to pay for this?

    None.

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Did you, or did you not state that "the Government should not be in the business of providing transportation services?
    He's right though. The government (aside from military) should not be in the business of running the transportation system. Meaning, Amtrak should be privatized, government should not run buses or airlines, nor subways. That said, government does have a duty to maintain and build transportation networks as well as keep prices reasonable.
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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Clearly, you didn't do your research. Several portions of the US rail system are more congested then the Acela line which made profit. There is clearly enough demand to sustain a train system. And as the high speed system proved, it is profitable. What isn't profitable are the low speed trains.
    If they're profitable then private industry can buy the rights of with with investors' money, not taxpayers, and the shareholders can keep the profits.

    If it's not profitable, the government shouldn't be doing it.

    Oh, and where's the profit in having a terrorist blow up the track under a train going 300 mph at ground level?

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Is that loss equivalent to $32 per passenger?
    Studies show that traffic congestion costs the average metropolitan driver about $1000 per year.

    The Texas Transportation Institute estimated that, in 2000, the 75 largest metropolitan areas experienced 3.6 billion vehicle-hours of delay, resulting in 5.7 billion U.S. gallons (21.6 billion liters) in wasted fuel and $67.5 billion in lost productivity, or about 0.7% of the nation's GDP. It also estimated that the annual cost of congestion for each driver was approximately $1,000 in very large cities and $200 in small cities. --Traffic Congestion
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    Gridlock costs the average peak period traveler 36 hours a year in travel delay, and costs the United States more than $87 billion each year. At a time when fuel is increasingly costly, traffic jams are wasting 2.8 billion gallons of gas every year. --TTI

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Let's find out. Raise the ticket prices so the passengers are paying their fair share...ie, the whole cost of the trip, and see how many still ride the choo-choo.
    Conversely, we could raise taxes so that individual drivers cover the other 90% of funding that our government currently provides states to build/maintain our Interstate Highway System.


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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, btw: LA County's Metrolink recently opened a six mile long extension to the Gold Line, at a cost of $148 million dollars per mile. What advantage does the driver who doesn't use the Gold Line see in having his taxes raised to pay for this?

    None.
    Incorrect. The benefit is obvious. More people using mass transit gets more cars off the road. Therefore, less congestion and less time sitting in traffic. Portland traffic was really bad before the MAX. Now, it's actually pretty good, especially if you are used to Seattle or LA traffic.
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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If they're profitable then private industry can buy the rights of with with investors' money, not taxpayers, and the shareholders can keep the profits.
    Which they should. You are getting off subject. My point was largely that no one except ME read the article.
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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Ah, you're confusing Amtrak with generic "rail transit".
    Not at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We're discussing Amtrak, not Metrolink.
    No, we (meaning me and phattonez) were not. Here's what phattonez said:

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And of note, rail actually increases traffic. Look it up, no lie.
    I do not see anything in the above statement indicating a specific rail system. Do you?



    BTW, I'm still hoping to see some sort of proof of this assertion by phattonez (but I won't hold my breath).

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If it's not profitable, the government shouldn't be doing it.
    Once again, the government was not created to make profits.

    Using your yardstick, the government shouldn't be doing anything it currently does.


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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Liblady, allow me to give you an analogy to illustrate the point of the Gubmint take over of our Health systems.

    Let's say you and I both own a coffee shop, on opposing corners of a well traveled intersection in town, ok?

    You, and I make about the same types of coffee, and the quality is comparable.

    Now, lets say that while you charge $2.00 for a large cup of 'joe', I can print my own money, and give away my coffee for free.

    how long will you stay in business?


    j-mac
    Yeah except the coffee is a life giving substance and you may die from not having it.

    Fabulous analogy.

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