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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the government is not going to "run" healthcare. where did you get that idea?
    two words: public option
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well that's why you should try to make money off of paying for people's health issues.

    Which is the inherent evil of insurers.
    Providing a service that people want is inherently evil?

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not a good analogy. a gov't option would provide basic healthcare at an affordable cost. many people will still opt for premium plans, as you well know. so, i can sell my lattes and you can sell your joe. kinda like starbucks and 7-11.

    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.
    well you know what, oh **** ethereal beat me too it
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    The health insurance industry currently has a 2.2% profit margin; that's pretty thin. I don't suspect they can lower prices much further and remain in business.

    FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat - Yahoo! News
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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

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    well you know what, of **** ethereal beat me too it
    I'm quick like that...

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    why are we talking about health care instead of Amtrak?
    Because no one can talk about anything these days without somehow linking it to Obama, socialism, or health care.

    Makes for very boring debate.

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Did anyone even read the article?

    Oh wait. I forgot. Most people here can't read.

    Basically, slower (read: older) trains lost money.

    But high speed, new trains made money.

    Furthermore, this dude makes an excellent summary:
    Trains.com - Trains Magazine - Online Community - Amtrak's FY 2008 Key Performance Numbers

    Lesson to learn? Focus on high traffic, high speed. Ditch low traffic, low speed.
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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Did anyone even read the article?

    Oh wait. I forgot. Most people here can't read.

    Basically, slower (read: older) trains lost money.

    But high speed, new trains made money.

    Furthermore, this dude makes an excellent summary:
    Trains.com - Trains Magazine - Online Community - Amtrak's FY 2008 Key Performance Numbers

    Lesson to learn? Focus on high traffic, high speed. Ditch low traffic, low speed.
    yep high speed trains in Europe make lots of money. Think the French system made over a billion in profits last year.. euro, not dollar.
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Providing a service that people want is inherently evil?
    Oops - typo - I meant "shouldn't" not "should"

    But you got the point. . . However, I meant that making money off of people's need for medical coverage is wrong.

    I think a minimal margin is sufficient - anything 'vastly profitable' and it's more like stealing rather than providing a service, imho.
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because I'm honest, and I can read, especially the writing on the wall.

    Stealing, it's what socialists do best. And these socialists in Washington are bent on stealing entire industries.

    So, getting back to the point, why should anyone trust the government with running health care?

    Do I also have to point to the huge losses the Messiah Hisself admitted exist in Medicare and Medicaid? You know, those losses that His Holiness was going to fix so His theft of 1/6 of the nation's economy would be "deficit neutral"?
    To many Liberals, the obvious tends to be elusive.

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Amtrak is getting that line built down to CA. That will improve things. Its problem hasn't been government funding, it's problem is that it needs more infrastructure which only the government can push forward. It needs more rails, more availability, and more competitive pricing.

    I think once the line to CA is complete and there's swipe cards it'll be in a better position to profit.
    And yet, there isn't one tiny shred of evidence any Government run entity in history has been profitable. The Government of Canada shed its monopoly of the airlines in Canada and oil companies back in the 70 or 80's. Why do you think that was?

    Is there a public system in the US that is really profitable? I believe that the HONEST answer is no; there is not, never will be and it requires a stunning level of self imposed denial to believe there will be.

    If private enterprise looks at something and concludes that there will not be enough customers to pay back the investment, why then should the taxpayers fund it for a select few that might use the system?

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