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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not a good analogy. a gov't option would provide basic healthcare at an affordable cost. many people will still opt for premium plans, as you well know. so, i can sell my lattes and you can sell your joe. kinda like starbucks and 7-11.

    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.
    You want competition? Deregulate health insurance and let the companies sell it across state lines. You want the cost of health care to go down? Deregulate it and pass TORT reform. Those two combined will make health care affordable again and provide more competition. But I think we all know that it isn't competition or lower costs that the Obama administration is really after - it's power. If they were really for affordable health care and lowering the cost, TORT reform and deregulation would have been passed long, long ago.
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not a good analogy. a gov't option would provide basic healthcare at an affordable cost. many people will still opt for premium plans, as you well know. so, i can sell my lattes and you can sell your joe. kinda like starbucks and 7-11.

    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.
    If the government was only giving another form of health-insurance to those who don't qualify/can't afford it there wouldn't be quite so much annoyance.
    I have no problems with medicaid and medicare, etc.

    However, they're not just doing that.

    In the process of trying to provide more healthcare to those who don't have it, need it and want it - they are, also, raising taxes, fees and fines on people as well as products and necessary medical equipment in order to channel funds towards offsetting the balance of the healthcare public-option "out of government pocket" costs.

    They are, also, attempting to cap the pay of doctors and reform the health-insurance industry.

    They're doing so much more than *just* providing health care insurance and those other things are whre people have issues.
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Liblady, allow me to give you an analogy to illustrate the point of the Gubmint take over of our Health systems.

    Let's say you and I both own a coffee shop, on opposing corners of a well traveled intersection in town, ok?

    You, and I make about the same types of coffee, and the quality is comparable.

    Now, lets say that while you charge $2.00 for a large cup of 'joe', I can print my own money, and give away my coffee for free.

    how long will you stay in business?


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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why is following the simple rules posted at the top of the forum so hard? Title of thread must match title of article. It's simple.
    Do you really have to spam every breaking news thread with this post?

    Mod envy, much?

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not a good analogy. a gov't option would provide basic healthcare at an affordable cost. many people will still opt for premium plans, as you well know. so, i can sell my lattes and you can sell your joe. kinda like starbucks and 7-11.

    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.
    The health insurance industry currently has a 2.2% profit margin; that's pretty thin. I don't suspect they can lower prices much further and remain in business.

    FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat - Yahoo! News

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger


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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The health insurance industry currently has a 2.2% profit margin; that's pretty thin. I don't suspect they can lower prices much further and remain in business.

    FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat - Yahoo! News
    Well that's why you should try to make money off of paying for people's health issues.

    Which is the inherent evil of insurers.

    However, at the same time, if they weren't around then most people would be up a creek.

    So, really, regardless of what Obama does or doesn't do they still have ot deal with the actual COST of items and medicines going higher.
    And in his care-package there's nothing that addresses that core issue.
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Amtrak is getting that line built down to CA. That will improve things. Its problem hasn't been government funding, it's problem is that it needs more infrastructure which only the government can push forward. It needs more rails, more availability, and more competitive pricing.

    I think once the line to CA is complete and there's swipe cards it'll be in a better position to profit.

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    why are we talking about health care instead of Amtrak?


    There is an argument to be made that infrastructure is worthwhile independent of whether or not it operates at a profit.

    There is also an argument to be made that poorly utilized routes should be closed, but homestate senators won't close those routes.

    There is an argument to be made to expand routes, making the system more comprehensive, thus increasing utilization across the system.

    But the arguments about healthcare in this thread are out of place.

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Do you really have to spam every breaking news thread with this post?

    Mod envy, much?

    I like if someone speaks up. The BN sections having straight news and straight headlines is a feature I appreciate.

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