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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why is following the simple rules posted at the top of the forum so hard? Title of thread must match title of article. It's simple.

    this is really one of your peeves isn't it?


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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Liblady, allow me to give you an analogy to illustrate the point of the Gubmint take over of our Health systems.

    Let's say you and I both own a coffee shop, on opposing corners of a well traveled intersection in town, ok?

    You, and I make about the same types of coffee, and the quality is comparable.

    Now, lets say that while you charge $2.00 for a large cup of 'joe', I can print my own money, and give away my coffee for free.

    how long will you stay in business?


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    not a good analogy. a gov't option would provide basic healthcare at an affordable cost. many people will still opt for premium plans, as you well know. so, i can sell my lattes and you can sell your joe. kinda like starbucks and 7-11.

    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not a good analogy. a gov't option would provide basic healthcare at an affordable cost. many people will still opt for premium plans, as you well know. so, i can sell my lattes and you can sell your joe. kinda like starbucks and 7-11.

    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.

    You won't sell them for long....Sure in the beginning you might hand on to the loyal, but as things progress, everyone will come to my shop because it is free, or at least they think it is.

    There is NO competition between an entity that has no stake in producing a profit pitted against one that has that stake. It is an unfair dual. The Gubmint can go on far longer justifying no profit, hell, even operating at a loss while the commercial insurance company must make a profit to survive.

    But you know that.


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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices.
    Might this be better achieved by offering consumers Ins from other states. I mean there are 1600 health ins companies in the US, none of them can compete across state lines. I mean...wouldn't a gecko telling you that you could save 15% on health insurance with 15 minutes on the phne be popular?
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why is following the simple rules posted at the top of the forum so hard? Title of thread must match title of article. It's simple.
    Because I write better headlines.

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.
    There are better ways, Constitutional ways, to encourage competition in the health insurance industry besides radical government takeover.
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the government is not going to "run" healthcare. where did you get that idea?
    So - are you, also, suggesting the the government doesn't "run" Medicaid, Medicare?

    They define it through legislation, enact it through mandates, they dictate how it operates and so forth.

    Thus, they "run" it.
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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country to a pack of nit-wits who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling booze?
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    This is a true story.... think they will do better with your health?

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

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    Oh that's ****ing hilarious!

    I love this one. . . *adds it to the arsenal*
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    not a good analogy. a gov't option would provide basic healthcare at an affordable cost. many people will still opt for premium plans, as you well know. so, i can sell my lattes and you can sell your joe. kinda like starbucks and 7-11.
    But I'll choose that free coffee at 7-11 more often than I previously did. Starbucks becomes less profitable. The problem is that private companies produce wealth, while government organizations use wealth.

    and as a bonus, consumers might see some real competition in insurance prices. medicare didn't cause insurance companies to go down the tubes, neither will adding to that existing public option.
    I'd contend that medicare actually caused insurance prices to go up. Government isn't good with money, so will pay high prices for services at a hospital. This causes the cost of service to go up which affects everyone.

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