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Thread: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

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    It also has nothing to do with providing people with goods and services but that hasn't stopped you from trying to shove a public option down my throat, has it?


    In case you were unclear on the concept, the government's entire reason for being is to provide public services.

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

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    No it didn't, and I explained that! You just conveniently chose to ignore that.
    I afraid I'm far more inclined to believe a responsible and thoroughly documented study on this topic than I am your assurances that you're right and they're wrong.

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I afraid I'm far more inclined to believe a responsible and thoroughly documented study on this topic than I am your assurances that you're right and they're wrong.
    Read over my edited post now, and realize that your study and resulting opinion, if presented to a statistician, would be immediately laughed at for the reasons I tried to explain to you.

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

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    What about securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity? Or establishing justice?


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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Read over my edited post now, and realize that your study and resulting opinion, if presented to a statistician, would be immediately laughed at for the reasons I tried to explain to you.
    Wendell Cox? The gun-for-hire who's funded by the road-building industry to slam public transportation? The guy who says public transportation is a "welfare service?"

    That's your proof that "rail actually increases traffic?" Really?

    Wendell Cox, a self-employed privatization proponent who lives in the St. Louis area who has written attacks on transit and Amtrak for the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Highway Users Alliance and others. His work includes the Cato publication False Dreams and Broken Promises: The Wasteful Federal Investment in Mass Transit and has continued with numerous op-eds, seminars and radio and TV appearances in communities considering new transit investments. Cox has authored reports for the Wisconsin Policy Center and the James Madison Institute attacking the proposed Milwaukee rail system and the Florida Overland Express high speed rail project. Cox’s background as an expert is derived from his appointment to the old Los Angeles County Transportation Commission as a citizen member. He has been employed by various conservative and road building groups over the years. Cox is also known for his anti-Portland and transit-bashing website, (THE PUBLIC PURPOSE (Wendell Cox Consultancy)).
    I ask again, do you have any actual data (numbers, statistics, reports, documented studies/evidence) to support your assertion that "rail actually increases traffic," or are you sticking with the paid-for "opinion" of a hard-core conservative road-industry shill?

    Sorry, but I'll put my trust in the 60-some years of focused research and objective study conducted by hundreds of transportation experts at a trusted state agency that also happens to be the largest transportation research organization in the nation.






    Wendell Cox!

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Wendell Cox? The gun-for-hire who's funded by the road-building industry to slam public transportation? The guy who says public transportation is a "welfare service?"

    That's your proof that "rail actually increases traffic?" Really?
    Ad hominem? The personal attack that really comes out to a logical fallacy? That's your proof that this study is wrong?

    I ask again, do you have any actual data (numbers, statistics, reports, documented studies/evidence) to support your assertion that "rail actually increases traffic," or are you sticking with the paid-for "opinion" of a hard-core conservative road-industry shill?

    Sorry, but I'll put my trust in the 60-some years of focused research and objective study conducted by hundreds of transportation experts at a trusted state agency that also happens to be the largest transportation research organization in the nation.






    Wendell Cox!
    What's funny is that you disregard all of this because of the person. Again, an argument was brought forth, and you just ignored it for no good reason.

    Besides, I showed you what nonsense it was to base your conclusion off of that study. It was a leap of logic and it just doesn't work.

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    Re: Report: Amtrak loss comes to $32 per passenger

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Again, an argument was brought forth...
    The argument brought forth was this:

    "Rail actually increases traffic."
    You've yet to prove anything of the sort. All you've done is found someone (a very questionable someone) who agrees with your assertion, but who, like you, doesn't seem to have any numbers or detailed studies of his own to back it all up. This just isn't enough for me, I'm afraid.

    I ask again, do you have any actual data (numbers, statistics, reports, documented studies/evidence) to support your assertion that "rail actually increases traffic?"
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

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    WOAH! Back up the communist train for a moment.....So Glinda, you are saying that the Governments entire reason for being is to give us stuff?

    Then why do you suppose that the founders came up with this?

    Article 1 Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

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    To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

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    To establish post offices and post roads;

    To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

    To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    WOAH! Back up the communist train for a moment.....So Glinda, you are saying that the Governments entire reason for being is to give us stuff?
    No. What I'm saying is the government's entire reason for being is to provide public services.

    Like all the things listed in the Constitution.
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    Re: And You Want the Government to Run Health Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    No. What I'm saying is the government's entire reason for being is to provide public services.

    Like all the things listed in the Constitution.
    No, the govt's reason for existence is to protect our rights.
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