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    And the breakdown begins. This is why morale is so important. When morale goes to hell, the talented people who can make a difference, who are able to walk off, leaving those who can't walk away to flounder in the muck of a ****ed up situation.

    When Matthew Hoh joined the Foreign Service early this year, he was exactly the kind of smart civil-military hybrid the administration was looking for to help expand its development efforts in Afghanistan.


    A former Marine Corps captain with combat experience in Iraq, Hoh had also served in uniform at the Pentagon, and as a civilian in Iraq and at the State Department. By July, he was the senior U.S. civilian in Zabul province, a Taliban hotbed.

    But last month, in a move that has sent ripples all the way to the White House, Hoh, 36, became the first U.S. official known to resign in protest over the Afghan war, which he had come to believe simply fueled the insurgency.

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    I'm always torn on this type of issue.

    On one hand I understand and feel for the person resigning or (in other cases) going awol over certain issues such as this.

    I, also, cannot help but feel that such actions help to break down morale and encourages more less-than-satisfactory feelings.

    Also, many in the service aren't fortunate enough ot be able to step out when they disaprove or feel they're trapped - and, in that sense, this is unfair to them.

    Disatisfaction from troops in such a situation is, also, expected or not unusual within our current circumstances (change of who's in charge, basicly) We went from this being a republican-run operation to a democrat-run operation and that really disturbs the waters of an already convoluted ordeal.

    So, I guess I understand and in a way respect it but I wouldn't encourage my husband to do it.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    So does anybody agree with Matthew Hoh that "While he did not share Hoh's view that the war "wasn't worth the fight," "?

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Well - I think that they need to redefine what the "fight" is.

    That's part of the big problem - there doesn't seem to be focus because there isn't a doctrine of some nature on the issue what our purpose and intent is.

    Surely Obama isn't intent on continuing what he considered "more of the same" ... yet, at the moment, that's exactly what he's doing ... so if he wants to be able to continue what Bush started he needs to step up and stop luvin his muffin.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    What if the Afghan government remains questionably corrupt and unresponsive to efforts to reform?

    No amount of military might would be sufficient to win the support of the people outside of the large cities.

    The decision to add troops to an unstable and/or untenable political situation would spell disaster.

    That's why Obama will wait til after the run off election 11/7/09 to decide.

    If the people believe the election is bogus we will be throwing good lives away.

    This article is enlightening.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/we...lkins.html?hpw

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    What if the Afghan government remains questionably corrupt and unresponsive to efforts to reform?

    No amount of military might would be sufficient to win the support of the people outside of the large cities.

    The decision to add troops to an unstable and/or untenable political situation would spell disaster.

    That's why Obama will wait til after the run off election 11/7/09 to decide.

    If the people believe the election is bogus we will be throwing good lives away.

    This article is enlightening.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/we...lkins.html?hpw
    I hate to agree with you, but I do.

    Sometimes elections aren't the answer-- it only legitimizes a corrupt government and people outside of kabul couldn't care less.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    What if the Afghan government remains questionably corrupt and unresponsive to efforts to reform?

    No amount of military might would be sufficient to win the support of the people outside of the large cities.

    The decision to add troops to an unstable and/or untenable political situation would spell disaster.

    That's why Obama will wait til after the run off election 11/7/09 to decide.

    If the people believe the election is bogus we will be throwing good lives away.

    This article is enlightening.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/we...lkins.html?hpw

    Great article. I wonder if it's possible to have a legit election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Great article. I wonder if it's possible to have a legit election.
    Thanks. I think that's the $64,000 question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Thanks. I think that's the $64,000 question.
    I doubt it. I think Karzai shouldn't be allowed to run in a runoff election. The fraud puts him at the lead. Much like fraud in Iran put the current president at the front. I think in the overwhelming Islamic countries it is safe to say that if there is fraud the guy in charge has carried it out. What we are doing is postponing the inevitable(Karzai winning again).

    Afghanistan needs a runoff election

    And fraud there irrefutably was: When ballot boxes were emptied for counting, some contained books of ballot papers not yet detached, but all made out to a single candidate - incumbent President Hamid Karzai - and filled out in a single hand. About 20 per cent of polling places were "ghost" polls - too isolated and dangerous for voters to get to - but they somehow provided massive support for Karzai anyway. And so on.

    Even as the scale of the fraud became evident, Karzai tried to claim victory. Only serious pressure from U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, and others - including Canada's Stephen Harper - pushed Karzai to admit the obvious. Western-style elections are a new concept in Afghanistan, and Karzai and his supporters have now, we hope, learned a valuable lesson: The democracies propping up his government, despite all its faults, take fair elections seriously.
    It's pretty ridiculous that ANY runoff election would include a guy who clearly cheated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And the breakdown begins. This is why morale is so important. When morale goes to hell, the talented people who can make a difference, who are able to walk off, leaving those who can't walk away to flounder in the muck of a ****ed up situation.
    You don't know why Hoh quit. It may not be because of morale. Maybe it's because he doesn't believe in the mission anymore, nor the way we are prosecuting it. Read for yourself:

    Hoh's Resignation Letter to the State Dept.

    "I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States' presence in Afghanistan," Hoh wrote in his resignation letter, dated Sept. 10 but published early Tuesday. "I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy, but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end."

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