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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    look, bush started the quagmire. obama now has to clean it up.
    I am amused when Libruls constantly rail about the mess their political opponents created and how they have to clean it up.

    I didn't hear Bush rail about the mess Clinton created and how he had to clean it up; he just did his job like a MATURE person knowing that any mess is OUR mess, not just a political party's mess.

    Trust me, the next President will have a far bigger "MESS" than Obama ever imagined in his naive, inexperienced and tragically misguided way.

    Obama wanted the job just like any other highly ambitious, arrogant and highly opinionated person; the notion that he is not responsible for the "MESS" is beyond absurd, it is an outright copout.


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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    What if the Afghan government remains questionably corrupt and unresponsive to efforts to reform?

    No amount of military might would be sufficient to win the support of the people outside of the large cities.

    The decision to add troops to an unstable and/or untenable political situation would spell disaster.

    That's why Obama will wait til after the run off election 11/7/09 to decide.

    If the people believe the election is bogus we will be throwing good lives away.

    This article is enlightening.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/we...lkins.html?hpw
    It's not our primary mission to insure that Afghanistan has a flawless government. Our primary mission is to destroy the Taliban's will and ability to wage war, thereby sending a signal to any other agresser that if they **** with the United States, we will rain down the same amount of death and destruction on them, as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i posted this in the warfare forum......i was wondering what everyone thought.

    his position is that we are fighting a civil war, and we shouldn't even be there. at this point, i tend to agree.

    Of course you agree. You're going to agree with any point of view that suggests that we cut-n-run. If someone said that we shouldn't b in Afghanistan because the phase of the moon is wrong, you would agree.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh - so Bush was in a quagmire and Obama is just being careful? (general statement poking at all those who protested one and now support the other).

    We can't claim his action is out of "carefullness" until the end result in known. And we won't be getting to the end result until he does something.

    He's had the last decade, almost, to keep up with the issues that were and that he "inherited" as he put it - and that he has proceeded with in Afghanistan since he was elected.
    Bravo......

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    look, bush started the quagmire. obama now has to clean it up. i can't believe anybody thinks it can be done overnight.

    do you really think anything would be significantly different if someone else were in office right now?


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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    look, bush started the quagmire. obama now has to clean it up. i can't believe anybody thinks it can be done overnight.

    do you really think anything would be significantly different if someone else were in office right now?
    I'm not going to debate hypotheticals of "what if someone else" because there is no one else - there was Bush, and now there's Obama.
    I will say that I do not approve of stagnation and a failure to act or attempt to develop a plan - I didn't approve of it when Bush seemed to rot over it and I wouldn't approve of it regardless of whoever is in office.

    Obama, since he took office, has officially ended our involvement with Iraq - that is what Bush was into knee-deep. He has redirected the situation to Afghanistan. Thus, this is Obama's issue, not Bush's. (and by 'end' I cite pulling out the majority of the troops, closing down bases, and officially handing things back to the new Iraqi government as well as the most recent action of ending funding).

    He weened himself from that tit and cut his own cord. . .so there's no more "but Buuuush" - there is only Obama and his Congress.

    Instead, though, he's devised a plan that has detailed the reconstructed our entire healthcare system - top to bottom. Instead of making progress or devising a plan about Afghanistan he traveled the world and focused on other things that he, apparently, deemed more important, like vying for the Olypics in Chicago and appologizing for actons of the US.

    I hope, honestly, that he doesn't play the fool. I hope they (government) do the right thing and they make it out of the thicket. I oppose him but I definitely don't want him to fail - nor do I wish to truly continue a war of stagnation.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    then as a former 101st weapons specialist
    What BN were you in?

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    He might have won legitimately anyway as the incumbent so you can't just disqualify him.
    Given the evidence and the fact all fraud points to it being done by him and his supporters I seriously doubt he would have won as an incumbent. It simply does not follow the pattern for Islamic countries.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what would you have him do RIGHT NOW? it seems to me the troops in afghanistan have been left high and dry for years.

    i think it's a damned good idea to take the time to consider all the consequences, that certainly WAS NOT done before this administration. it's my hope we get out, but i used to feel different. now, i don't think there's much of a point in staying.
    The Afghan campaign was relatively quiet from the time of Operation Anaconda in 2002 into 2007. Then it got hot. I agree we should withdraw completely for a variety of reasons. Obama will have to depend on Republicans for support if he doesn't quit. The temptation for Republicans to sandbag Obama is great. Afghanistan is a no win situation for Obama.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Fine dissection of my post, KsWhig.

    I am quite certain I was oversimplifying, and we both agree an exit strategy needs to be well thought out.

    But you didn't answer my question.

    What IS the motivation? There is at least an oil reserve under Iraq. Motive.

    And yes, I am aware that it is all politics at this point. That's what I can't stand.

    But how deep are we cutting into this fat? Afghanistan is a failed effort, perpetuated by a man who proclaimed 'Change'.

    And for the record, I did listen to him on the campaign trail, but you can't always put stock in that, of course.

    I assumed he, like many liberals, was illustrating the fact that Afghan, Al-Qaeda (Saudis), should have been the target, not Iraq, whose leader was a secular despot - less of a threat than an ideologically driven society out to destroy the infidels.

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I hate to agree with you, but I do.

    Sometimes elections aren't the answer-- it only legitimizes a corrupt government and people outside of kabul couldn't care less.
    Dude, bhkad is almost always on the money when it comes to COIN operations. I may disagree with him on basically everything else, but the man knows his COIN.
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