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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what would you have him do RIGHT NOW? it seems to me the troops in afghanistan have been left high and dry for years.

    i think it's a damned good idea to take the time to consider all the consequences, that certainly WAS NOT done before this administration. it's my hope we get out, but i used to feel different. now, i don't think there's much of a point in staying.

    Not true. Bush did an exhaustive examination of which he passed on to the Obama administration, and they asked them to not make it public, and they didn't. Now all the libs want to act like nothing was examined.....BS.


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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not true. Bush did an exhaustive examination of which he passed on to the Obama administration, and they asked them to not make it public, and they didn't. Now all the libs want to act like nothing was examined.....BS.


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    so, what would you him do, today?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Well, many, like the VP, advocate a CT strategy that would primarily be focused on killing AQ. Problem is that AQ is not only in AFG...in fact, I think much of AQ has left (or are dead)...leaving the question "what are we doing there". No one asked during the Bush years because they had Iraq to complain about.

    You are right about the initial push...problem is that now we've eradicated and gotten rid of so much of AQ that "mission creep" has set in and we've focused on nation-building and fighting the Taliban (because we need someone to fight). The notion of Taliban still "guarding" AQ is kind of a dead idea and certainly isn't as true as it was in 2001.
    The obligation arose after running the Taliban off, which only did initially because they wouldn't give up al Qaeda. But nevertheless a void necessitated some humanitarian action.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    What if the Afghan government remains questionably corrupt and unresponsive to efforts to reform?

    No amount of military might would be sufficient to win the support of the people outside of the large cities.

    The decision to add troops to an unstable and/or untenable political situation would spell disaster.

    That's why Obama will wait til after the run off election 11/7/09 to decide.

    If the people believe the election is bogus we will be throwing good lives away.

    This article is enlightening.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/we...lkins.html?hpw
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    I tell you what, let's turn this over to the UN. Isn't that what they were set up for? We give them 3 years (after planning stage) to get this implimented and fixed.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The obligation arose after running the Taliban off, which only did initially because they wouldn't give up al Qaeda. But nevertheless a void necessitated some humanitarian action.
    Agreed. However, pay close attention to my "mission creep" comment:

    Mission creep is the expansion of a project or mission beyond its original goals, often after initial successes. The term often implies a certain disapproval of newly adopted goals by the user of the term. Mission creep is usually considered undesirable due to the dangerous path of each success breeding more ambitious attempts, only stopping when a final, often catastrophic, failure occurs.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not true. Bush did an exhaustive examination of which he passed on to the Obama administration, and they asked them to not make it public, and they didn't. Now all the libs want to act like nothing was examined.....BS.


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    I suspect that "exhaustive examination" is BS. If the Bush administration had time to figure out exactly what was needed in Afghanistan, why didn't they implement it? Sounds like another "secret memo" that exonerates all their incompetence.

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I tell you what, let's turn this over to the UN. Isn't that what they were set up for? We give them 3 years (after planning stage) to get this implimented and fixed.
    UN is pacifist. They would most likely recognize the Taliban's right to sovereignty or something rediculous like that.

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I tell you what, let's turn this over to the UN. Isn't that what they were set up for? We give them 3 years (after planning stage) to get this implimented and fixed.
    Turn what over to them? The point of going into Afghanistan was to break up the AlQaeda training camps. The Taliban and their treatment of women is not our concern. The tribal politics of Afghanistan and their pursuit of "democracy" is not worth a dime of American money. Just because our troops are getting attacked is no reason to persist. If we cannot fight and destroy Alqaeda we have no business being there.

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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Turn what over to them? The point of going into Afghanistan was to break up the AlQaeda training camps. The Taliban and their treatment of women is not our concern.
    Really?

    More than two weeks ago, I gave Taliban leaders a series of clear and specific demands: Close terrorist training camps. Hand over leaders of the al Qaeda network, and return all foreign nationals, including American citizens unjustly detained in your country," Bush said.

    The foreign nationals he spoke of are eight Westerners, including two Americans, who were detained by the Taliban, and are on trial, for preaching Christianity -- a crime punishable by death in Taliban-controlled areas.

    "None of these demands was met, and now, the Taliban will pay a price," Bush said.
    You sure the Taliban weren't our concern, the President makes this very clear, you weren't listening or what?

    The tribal politics of Afghanistan and their pursuit of "democracy" is not worth a dime of American money.
    This statement proven wrong on 9-11, indeed, the tribal politics of Afghanistan left to itself results in terror attacks. I thought this was fairly obvious.

    Just because our troops are getting attacked is no reason to persist. If we cannot fight and destroy Alqaeda we have no business being there.
    You keep ignoring the Taliban why is that?
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