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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I doubt it. I think Karzai shouldn't be allowed to run in a runoff election. The fraud puts him at the lead. Much like fraud in Iran put the current president at the front. I think in the overwhelming Islamic countries it is safe to say that if there is fraud the guy in charge has carried it out. What we are doing is postponing the inevitable(Karzai winning again).

    Afghanistan needs a runoff election



    It's pretty ridiculous that ANY runoff election would include a guy who clearly cheated.
    He might have won legitimately anyway as the incumbent so you can't just disqualify him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And the breakdown begins. This is why morale is so important. When morale goes to hell, the talented people who can make a difference, who are able to walk off, leaving those who can't walk away to flounder in the muck of a ****ed up situation.
    i posted this in the warfare forum......i was wondering what everyone thought.

    his position is that we are fighting a civil war, and we shouldn't even be there. at this point, i tend to agree.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Regardless of your ultimate position for more troops or against our presents for what ever reason some facts need to be taken into consideration. What was the initial goal? Have we achieved that goal? If we leave or as some would say cut and run are we going to leave a bigger mess than the people had before it started? Once you answer theses and other questions for yourself one thing remains in my mind. That being to effect a desired change it is always easier and more effective to work from the inside where you have more and better access to those in a position to make changes. By resigning you may make a big splash and get a little attention for a short time but when that short time is up generally your chances of effecting change are gone and you are forgotten unless you have some special way to maintain the attention level you had for those few fleeting moments.
    I believe that in some cases if you can not continue go along with or ignore any longer differences you have with policies it might make a bigger splash if you get fired over those differences rather than quit. it could make you more interesting to some as an underdog and whistle blower rather than just a whistle blower.
    I say these things taking neither side just observing from a political, publicity and propaganda standpoint. As to his position I think he's wrong. We went there for the right reasons and any civil war is our responsibility to end because we caused it. The solution I have stated under the topic "Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?"
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - I think that they need to redefine what the "fight" is.

    That's part of the big problem - there doesn't seem to be focus because there isn't a doctrine of some nature on the issue what our purpose and intent is.

    Surely Obama isn't intent on continuing what he considered "more of the same" ... yet, at the moment, that's exactly what he's doing ... so if he wants to be able to continue what Bush started he needs to step up and stop luvin his muffin.
    continue what? we're propping up a corrupt gov't, the people don't want us there.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Why was it the just war when Bush was in office, and it's not now that Obama is in office?
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why was it the just war when Bush was in office, and it's not now that Obama is in office?
    The belief that Afghanistan was the "just war" was hyped greatly by Iraq and the debacle there for so many years prior to The Surge and subsequent success. Obama hitched his train to Afghanistan during the campaign and now if he doesn't follow through, it will hurt him politically. No one denies that AFG was the right thing after 9/11, but I think the question has become "what are we doing there and why", as highlighted by the resignation of Hoh, an obviously non-partisan guy.

    Many in Obama's camp, to include the VP now believe that a full on COIN strategy is not the right answer in AFG; plus many of the anti-war crowd in his base aren't going to support a troop increase. Although they were oddly silent during the campaign when Obama was touting AFG as "the good war".

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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    continue what? we're propping up a corrupt gov't, the people don't want us there.
    I don't know what he's continuing because he's not doing crap squat at the moment.

    Maybe it would be safe to imply: continuing to leave our troops high and dry without intervention or progression.

    Maybe he's faithfully continuing the quagmire.

    Or perhaps he's continuing with his ideology that "we need to take troops out of Iraq and put them into Afghanistan" ... and, look, here we are, so now he needs to figure out "what comes next" ... only, as Obamanites accused Bush of doing, he's not trying to come up with a timeline and decide exactly that.

    He just needs to do something instead of sitting on his indecisive proverbial ass - This is not a war of contrition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    The belief that Afghanistan was the "just war" was hyped greatly by Iraq and the debacle there for so many years prior to The Surge and subsequent success. Obama hitched his train to Afghanistan during the campaign and now if he doesn't follow through, it will hurt him politically. No one denies that AFG was the right thing after 9/11, but I think the question has become "what are we doing there and why", as highlighted by the resignation of Hoh, an obviously non-partisan guy.

    Many in Obama's camp, to include the VP now believe that a full on COIN strategy is not the right answer in AFG; plus many of the anti-war crowd in his base aren't going to support a troop increase. Although they were oddly silent during the campaign when Obama was touting AFG as "the good war".
    What happened to the notion that we're there to kill al Qaeda, and that the rest is not our problem. We kicked the Taliban in the ass because they wouldn't give up bin Laden. We started with SOF and it seemed to me at the time that this approach was working.
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    Re: U.S. official resigns over Afghan war

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why was it the just war when Bush was in office, and it's not now that Obama is in office?

    It still is a just cause. To liberals though, no war is worth actually winning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I don't know what he's continuing because he's not doing crap squat at the moment.

    Maybe it would be safe to imply: continuing to leave our troops high and dry without intervention or progression.

    Maybe he's faithfully continuing the quagmire.

    Or perhaps he's continuing with his ideology that "we need to take troops out of Iraq and put them into Afghanistan" ... and, look, here we are, so now he needs to figure out "what comes next" ... only, as Obamanites accused Bush of doing, he's not trying to come up with a timeline and decide exactly that.

    He just needs to do something instead of sitting on his indecisive proverbial ass - This is not a war of contrition.
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