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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The two wars are not even remotely comparable.

    In Vietnam we overturned a democracy in favor of dictatorship. In Afghanistan we overturned a dictatorship in favor of democracy.
    South Vietnam was never a dictatorship. There was a coup, but it wasn't to install a dictator.

    In Vietnam we were alone. In Afghanistan we have all of NATO behind us.
    There were several countries that were fighting with in Vietnam.South Vietnam

    South Korea
    Australia
    Philippines
    New Zealand
    Khmer Republic
    Thailand
    Kingdom of Laos

    The ANZAC's proved themselves to some of the best jungle fighters in the world. Also, there were 30,000 Canadian citizens that volunteered to serve with the United States military. We were hardly there alone.

    In Vietnam millions were killed. In Afghanistan tens of thousands (I think?) have been killed.
    Yoo're right on that one.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Some of NATO; primarily the Brits, French, Candians and Aussies. Everyone else's role is pretty minimal. We are doing the brunt of the leg work.
    The Brits, Canadians and French never sent troops to Vietnam during the American presence.
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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Brits, Canadians and French never sent troops to Vietnam during the American presence.
    Uh, yeah I know. I was talking about Afghanistan.

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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Uh, yeah I know. I was talking about Afghanistan.
    My bad, Cap.
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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    All that was missing in Vietnam was the will to win. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake but I doubt it.

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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?
    I don't know. I hope the casualty rate never gets as bad as it did in 'Nam.

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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We have a weak Democratic president that can't even decide to attack, or retreat. There's a movement in our country that would rather we lose and leave. It's an unconventional war. There's a brother-n-law government in Kabul. The media is undermining the war effort every chance they get. Defeatism is rampant.

    I would say that Afghanistan is a repeat of history.
    Yes, there are Americans who would like to see American defeat in Afghanistan in order to advance a political agenda. Their dilemma lies in the fact that Barack Obama will suffer by virtue of their activities. That's why they have been quiet to date. Even Code Pink is conflicted. No matter what he does in Afghanistan Obama will suffer politically. His base opposes Obama's War, and if he relies on Republican support he puts his fate in the hands of his enemies. The continuing deaths of American men and women in Afghanistan will have a slow corrosive and debilitating effect on the Obama Presidency.

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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Yes, there are Americans who would like to see American defeat in Afghanistan in order to advance a political agenda.
    Defeat in a war as part of a greater political plan?
    What do you mean?

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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Defeat in a war as part of a greater political plan?
    What do you mean?
    Where to begin? Over the course of the last half century I've observed a change in the nature of the political order in our country as well as in the psychology of the American people/peoples. It breaks my heart and brings tears to my eyes.

    Once we believed that politics ended at the waters edge. That consensus ended at least twenty years ago. Imo the political parties now believe that the use of foreign policy crises is a legitimate device to advance political agendas for partisan advantage regardless of the impact on the American people.

    Let me give you an example. "The War is Lost." Senator Harry Reid (D. Nev., Senate Majority leader) said that in 2007. Imo that encouraged America's enemies in Iraq. The Democrats sought partisan political advantage by destroying Bush regardless of the impact on American forces in theater.

    Now I think the Republicans are about to do the same thing to Obama. Obama's hesitation to fish or cut bait has encouraged the Taliban to adopt new tactics to inflict major casualties on American men and women. This will be used against Obama despite the harm to the morale of our soldiers.

    Partisan advantage and the acquisition of power have become more important than the national interest.

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    Re: Is Afghanistan comparable to Vietnam?

    There are some similarities and there are diferences. Yes there were "insurgents who live among 'fill in the gap' in both wars. Yet unlike Vietman there is not other country's army in the field in Afghanistan and there isn't a "Osama Bin Ladin " trail. In Vietnam except for the Montagnards and the bunch of minute group of small ethnic groups Vietnam was 86 % Vietnamese. Afghanistan has larger ethnics groups in relative proportions. Therefore inter-ethnic fighting is a greater possibility and danger in Afghanistan.

    I do not think that there is much relevence in thrying to compare the two wars.

    I heard some talking heaaad or something say that "Afghanistan is Vietnam without snow".

    I say NO !!!
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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