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    Re: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble

    I don't put much stock in the article itself, but I do believe that the GOP has lost its way.

    In my opinion, the fiscal conservativeness they still attempt to tout has gone out the window. That was the one powerful counterpoint they have used to defeat Dems among people who vote mainly on economical issues.

    And the whole catering to the Christian base, though I am a Christian myself, is getting old. I loathe the legislation of morality. Be it a left-wing affirmative action stance, or a right-wing anti-civil union position.

    And finally, they need an intellectual to head that party. I personally know many conservative Repubs that are intelligent.

    With reason, they can debate Obama's policies, instead of just screaming socialism, and Obama kicks puppies - unlike so many of the visible Republicans such as Palin, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, etc.

    Dems have their morons as well, but the high profile Republicans just can't have a conversation that couldn't be reduced to simplistic soundbites that cater to the alarmist portion of their base, or one that isn't filled with vitriol and rhetorical fear.

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    Re: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble

    The Obama won in 2008 because McCain was not a conservative.

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    Re: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Apples and Oranges. If you look at polls who ask "are you a Republican, Democrat, Independent" then the last one I saw, showed only 21% said they were Republican.

    Plus the question asked in the poll you reference is at best very fluid. A person might think he or she is a "conservative" when asked the question but might not be when he or she is asked in more detail. Its like the old cola test.. ask a person what cola they prefer, a large portion will say Coca Cola, but put them under a blind taste test, Pepsi wins in a majority of cases.

    So while the poll might show that people think they are more conservative, it does not mean that they will vote with the Republican party or say they are Republicans.
    that is fair enough since I consider myself conservative but not republican.
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    Re: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble

    The Republicans face a twofold problem when they try to "move to the center".

    1. The base gets mad and stays home.

    2. The "great undecided" look and say "Both candidates are saying Big Government Is Good...one promises me a little BigGov, the other promises a lot of BigGov. If both are saying More Is Better, then I'm voting for the one promising lots of it," which is generally the Democrat candidates.

    The 2008 campaign failed to distinguish a major difference between the Republicans and the Democrats... which is a big reason why the Republicans suffered major losses. If your choices are Social Democrat and Social Democrat Lite, why bother?

    As someone pointed out, the Repubicans biggest victories were the Reagan era of 1980-88, and the 1994 congressional takeover...both cases where Republicans ran as unabashed conservatives, and then largely pursued a conservative agenda while in office. They started losing when they stopped being conservative.

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    Re: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As someone pointed out, the Repubicans biggest victories were the Reagan era of 1980-88, and the 1994 congressional takeover...both cases where Republicans ran as unabashed conservatives, and then largely pursued a conservative agenda while in office. They started losing when they stopped being conservative.
    I agree totally. After the 2004 elections, I changed my registration to Independent as the Republicans that the party was supporting no longer represented my values and beliefs. I vote for Republicans more often than Democrats, but I will vote for the candidate that is promising fiscally conservative ideals and minimal government intrusion into my life.

    I also am tired of basing the party on religious values. At the same time, I don't think it is right to allow a small group of people to change the meaning of the word marriage (which has deep religious meaning to a large percentage of the population). Marriage has always been a religious contract until the last 60 or so years. I do support civil unions with the same rights, responsibilities and benefits as marriage. On that note, I don't believe the government should be involved with marriage in any aspect. Civil contracts, okay. Not marriage.

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    Re: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Well if you look at polls, people are more dissatisfied with Republicans by a wide margin than Democrats.. Also I read in a new poll that only 21% of American's call themselves Republican these days.. lowest since 1983.
    Only because too many Republican aren't acting conservative. When the Republicans stay true to their conservative roots, they win. When they stray into the "Washington way", hey lose.

    Conservatives don't change. Politicians do.

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