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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Nice, I see you must have worked for clinton.

    Fact is whatever else krauthammer is, or you think him to be, he is more right about obama and the present american political system than not.
    Pffft, in reality, the actual fact is, in this current article, the one linked to in the OP, CK uses an appeal to popularity to make an argument about Obama. not too long ago, CK looked at another president's steadily sinking popularity, and claimed that his commitment to following through with policy initiatives displayed "political courage."

    So Obama is not more than a mere man. Everyone but the whacko fringe already knew that. confusing whacko fringe with mainstream is not being "more right about the present american political system."
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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Pffft, in reality, the actual fact is, in this current article, the one linked to in the OP, CK uses an appeal to popularity to make an argument about Obama. not too long ago, CK looked at another president's steadily sinking popularity, and claimed that his commitment to following through with policy initiatives displayed "political courage."

    So Obama is not more than a mere man. Everyone but the whacko fringe already knew that. confusing whacko fringe with mainstream is not being "more right about the present american political system."
    Where does he make an appeal to popularity? He does not. He points to the lack of accomplishment yet winning accolades as ridiculous.

    "He is a man of perpetual promise. There used to be a cruel joke that said Brazil is the country of the future, and always will be; Obama is the Brazil of today's politicians. He has obviously achieved nothing."

    Of course he has achieved something. He has decriminalized marijuana for those states that passed Medical Marijuana. Other than that he has given speeches, to Berlin, to the UN, to Cairo, to America. His steady lack of accomplishment measures the success he has.

    CK nails it.

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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Where does he make an appeal to popularity? He does not.
    the last paragraph that you pasted, above.
    "He's becoming ordinary. In the course of his presidency, Obama has gone from an almost magical charismatic figure to an ordinary politician. Ordinary. Average. His approval ratings are roughly equal to what the last five presidents' were at the same time in their first term."

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    He points to the lack of accomplishment yet winning accolades as ridiculous.

    "He is a man of perpetual promise. There used to be a cruel joke that said Brazil is the country of the future, and always will be; Obama is the Brazil of today's politicians. He has obviously achieved nothing."

    Of course he has achieved something. He has decriminalized marijuana for those states that passed Medical Marijuana. Other than that he has given speeches, to Berlin, to the UN, to Cairo, to America. His steady lack of accomplishment measures the success he has.

    CK nails it.
    I'm amused when pundits criticize politicians that they don't agree with, for being 'political.' what president in history has not made more promises than they could keep? "nothing." CK excels at hyperbole. 9 months in, Obama has achieved nothing. yet, in the autumn of 2001, W deserved a well earned vacation. craziness.
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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    "He's becoming ordinary. In the course of his presidency, Obama has gone from an almost magical charismatic figure to an ordinary politician. Ordinary. Average. His approval ratings are roughly equal to what the last five presidents' were at the same time in their first term."
    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib
    Where does he make an appeal to popularity? He does not.
    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    the last paragraph that you pasted, above.
    You call that an appeal to popularity? Gimme a break.

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    I'm amused when pundits criticize politicians that they don't agree with, for being 'political.' what president in history has not made more promises than they could keep? "nothing." CK excels at hyperbole. 9 months in, Obama has achieved nothing. yet, in the autumn of 2001, W deserved a well earned vacation. craziness.
    Oh they are all political. So now you are making another accusation of CK's failings with no quote. Provide a quote or is it as flimsy as your last one?

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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Charles with his usual spot on assessment, although, I think average is a tad bit overstated. Compared to his promises, Obama has been dismal, personally, I'd think he more compares to a circus clown, the perfect entertainer. Never says anything of substance, never does anything, never makes a difference, is there for show and tell and of course, a few laughs.
    Enjoying that fantasy world you're in?

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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Obama is and was a nobody - his perpetual promises were carried by his charismatic personality. He's the perverbial Prom King in an on-going dance which never ends. He doesn't take sides normally and delegates everything including his policies so he can be all things to all people - and therefore claim he was for/against almost anything with plausible deniability if needed. Krauthammer hits the nail on the head, as he usually does.

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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Pffft, in reality, the actual fact is, in this current article, the one linked to in the OP, CK uses an appeal to popularity to make an argument about Obama. not too long ago, CK looked at another president's steadily sinking popularity, and claimed that his commitment to following through with policy initiatives displayed "political courage."

    So Obama is not more than a mere man. Everyone but the whacko fringe already knew that. confusing whacko fringe with mainstream is not being "more right about the present american political system."
    You people were sold an image. I'd say a number of you simply ignored the fact he had no experience, no trackrecord, and no defining character traits. He was an empty vessel you could simply pour your hopes into. So you probably shouldn't bring up the idea of a wacko fringe as it was democrats that kept passing out at his rallies.

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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Enjoying that fantasy world you're in?
    The truth often stings, Will, the fact that you were bamboozled and sold this bill of goods isn't my fault. Hate the game, not the player.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So now you are making another accusation of CK's failings with no quote. Provide a quote or is it as flimsy as your last one?
    The quote where CK said "nothing" just like I said he did. or the link where CK remarked about W's vacation that I pasted in my first post? Cmon, I can't read for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    You people were sold an image. I'd say a number of you simply ignored the fact he had no experience, no trackrecord, and no defining character traits. He was an empty vessel you could simply pour your hopes into. So you probably shouldn't bring up the idea of a wacko fringe as it was democrats that kept passing out at his rallies.
    cool, let's discuss me. I'm so much more interesting than the topic, anyway!

    I'm not plural.

    and secondly, I had a Ron Paul sign in my yard most of last year.
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    Re: Interview with Charles Krauthammer: 'Obama is Average'

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    The quote where CK said "nothing" just like I said he did. or the link where CK remarked about W's vacation that I pasted in my first post? Cmon, I can't read for you.
    Where CK said that Obama was being "political" like you stated.

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