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katiegrrl0 said:
the reasons that were given by Bush before the attack on Iraq were WMD's were present. that was the cause of the attack according to the administration of the time.
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Yep ... crazy, isn't it? One person.

I know the Founders really made a point to avoid netting a lot of power in the president - they just couldn't forsee the extent of globalism and so forth. I think they'd be nauseated by a lot of the things that have happened since then.

No doubt that a lot of headache goes into the formation of a country - but I feel that, by now, we should have figured some things out by now. But we haven't, we're still fledgling. (general musing not based on the thread at all)
 
katiegrrl0 said:
the reasons that were given by Bush before the attack on Iraq were WMD's were present. that was the cause of the attack according to the administration of the time.
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that's right.....except bush and co used every opportunity to link 9-11 and iraq together in the minds of the public, so their reasons for war were many........and at the same time, none.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
yeah, she bashes the military with outright lies, ignoring the atrocities of the savages....


You and GD thank her for this? Telling, very telling.
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What lies, would you prefer to keep military atrocities secret and hidden from public view?

"Telling, very telling."
 
katiegrrl0 said:
the reasons that were given by Bush before the attack on Iraq were WMD's were present. that was the cause of the attack according to the administration of the time.
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Actually, there were multiple reasons. As I posted earlier, the reasons were:
- WMD development threat
- Treatment of citizens
- Iraqi cooperation with terrorists
- UN violations
- To transform into a democracy

The WMDs were highlighted and used as justification to the public and the UN.
 
Catawba said:
What lies, would you prefer to keep military atrocities secret and hidden from public view?

"Telling, very telling."
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Yes wouldn't it have been easy to kill woman and children and innocent bystanders and lable them all "Al queada in Iraq" without the press being around?
 
reefedjib said:
...Yes, the insurgents and terrorists would embed in civilians and attack civilians. Truly despicable.
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i witnessed this a few times. it is a horror when an adult uses a child to protect them from harm. there is no excuse and it is despicable. you piced a good wrod for this action.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yep ... crazy, isn't it? One person.

I know the Founders really made a point to avoid netting a lot of power in the president - they just couldn't forsee the extent of globalism and so forth. I think they'd be nauseated by a lot of the things that have happened since then.

No doubt that a lot of headache goes into the formation of a country - but I feel that, by now, we should have figured some things out by now. But we haven't, we're still fledgling. (general musing not based on the thread at all)
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the nation is far different than the framers thought. they could not foresee the advancements and changes in the way people live.

they did a good job when the set the US up. what i see is a slow breakdown. i do think as the years have passed the US has taken for granted the special qualities it took to become what was great.

the eyes of the world have seen this as well. the opinion i hear most often as i live abroad is that Americans are all arrogant. i know this is not true. it is the way Americans are seen though. the idea that the world owes them something .

i know this is far off topic as well. but i still have a warm spot for the US. it just was not warm enough for me to watch it crumble.
 
liblady said:
that's right.....except bush and co used every opportunity to link 9-11 and iraq together in the minds of the public, so their reasons for war were many........and at the same time, none.
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this is true so true thanks for pointing it out.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
i am happy to see that you are open minded on a change of mind.
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Thanks, I try to always reevaluate. I have been known to be wrong. This would be a big one, though.

I had a change of mind about something else related to the Iraq war. I have always felt that Iraqis would see that working together across sectarian divides and doing reconciliation would be in their best interests. In a conversation with a friend, it was pointed out to me that my hope here was not reflected by reality. It was a crushing moment. I still have not lost hope that it will be so, but I recognize the reality. It leaves me in a strange position of both hoping and being skeptical at the same time. This is the world as I wish it to be and the world as it is.
 
reefedjib said:
Actually, there were multiple reasons. As I posted earlier, the reasons were:
- WMD development threat
- Treatment of citizens
- Iraqi cooperation with terrorists
- UN violations
- To transform into a democracy

The WMDs were highlighted and used as justification to the public and the UN.
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they may all have been reason's to do such a thing. i do not dispute you on these points.

the reason Bush gave was WMD's and since than we know that he knew that they were never a threat. had he not used the WMD card he knew the US would never have gone to conflict with Iraq.

Bush deemed for his own purpose to attack another nation.
 
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reefedjib said:
Thanks, I try to always reevaluate. I have been known to be wrong. This would be a big one, though.

I had a change of mind about something else related to the Iraq war. I have always felt that Iraqis would see that working together across sectarian divides and doing reconciliation would be in their best interests. In a conversation with a friend, it was pointed out to me that my hope here was not reflected by reality. It was a crushing moment. I still have not lost hope that it will be so, but I recognize the reality. It leaves me in a strange position of both hoping and being skeptical at the same time. This is the world as I wish it to be and the world as it is.
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the interior divisions are to wide and trying to get them to work together in a good way would be near to impossible. the beliefs and cultures very from area to area.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
the reason Bush gave was WMD's and since than we know that he knew that they were never a threat.
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We know for sure that he knew that they were never a threat? Is there an article I could read that proves this?

katiegrrl0 said:
had he not used the WMD card he knew the US would never have gone to conflict with Iraq.
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True that. No threat. As I wrote earlier about why I think we went, we would be justified in going if there wasn't a threat. However, that case would not have been able to be made to the American people.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
you forget that Bush was focused on Bin Laden when he said it or was that a lie as well.
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He took his eye off the ball.


Obama is trying to deal with the mess of Bush. Obama's fault is that he is still trying to do that and not removing troops.
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Oh poor obama :roll:
 
katiegrrl0 said:
that is how the spin doctor's want it to sound.
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Loony leftists for some reason stick with this nonsense.


Ships admiral said..


The Ships crew states.

The white house stated.

And even later when Bush was asked about it, he said he could see how it could have been confused and regretted the sign....



Why this is such a "gotcha" for the left is beyond me. :shrug:
 
Catawba said:
Why pray for Katie? You need to pray for those that supported wars against countries that never attacked us.
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Why not? will she melt or something?




Catawba said:
What lies, would you prefer to keep military atrocities secret and hidden from public view?

"Telling, very telling."
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Right. Note your anti-american rhetoric. Note your lack of outrage at the savages... :shrug:
 
I heard an Admiral on the Rusty Humphries show last week, I think, that was on that ship, and he was explaining that the sign was the brain child of the ships XO, that put it up to signify the end of that ships mission. But, we see what happens when we let a biased liberal media get ahold of it.


j-mac
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
He[Bush] took his eye off the ball[Bin Laden].
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Seriously, I don't know what else Bush could have done. Bin Laden was in Pakistan after we ****ed up at Tora Bora.

Could we invade Pakistan to go after him? No.

Extra troops in Afghanistan wouldn't have helped and it would have caused additional problems (logistical, political).

Pakistan wasn't going after him.

Best option was to forget about Bin Laden and do something else to make a difference - Iraq.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Why not? will she melt or something?

Just wanted you to direct your prayers where they are needed most.


Right. Note your anti-american rhetoric. Note your lack of outrage at the savages... :shrug:
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What anti-American rhetoric? I do not consider ignoring American atrocities to be patriotic.

Which savages do you refer to? We have killed more innocent civilians.
 
Catawba said:
What anti-American rhetoric? I do not consider ignoring American atrocities to be patriotic.

Which savages do you refer to? We have killed more innocent civilians.
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Actually they have killed more of thier own innocent civillians...
 
Catawba said:
What anti-American rhetoric? I do not consider ignoring American atrocities to be patriotic.

Which savages do you refer to? We have killed more innocent civilians.
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Funny, that is what AQ says on its propaganda tapes as well....you are in dubious company sir.


j-mac
 
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