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U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

katiegrrl0 said:
yes they could put him an trial and if found guilty he could rot in jail. that would at least be one criminal the US could catch.
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***yawn*** hyperpartisanism even from a former citizen is so sophomoric.... :lol: ;) :2razz:
 
katiegrrl0 said:
yes they could put him an trial and if found guilty he could rot in jail. that would at least be one criminal the US could catch.
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But Katie..we all know that the only vets that can really offer an opinion on this issue that truely counts is "Combat Vets". Other Vets just don't cut the cake and other cititzens of the world should really just sit on the sidelines and shut their pie holes...

Because "You're either with us or you're against us" Remember?......:rofl
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I disagree slightly, unfortunatly, given this presidents penchant for indecisiveness, it would be best, I am beginning to think to withdraw and deal with it at a later time when we have a president with a backbone...
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I understand what you're saying and I agree that withdrawel beats doing nothing all to hell. But, at the end of the day, if we leave, we'll be going back so some other mother's kid can die to do it all over again.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
i did i gave up my citizenship and left the country. that was the solution for me.
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A fair weather patriot. Glad you're not part of our great nation any longer.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
yes they could put him an trial and if found guilty he could rot in jail. that would at least be one criminal the US could catch.
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Too bad for you, he didn't break any laws. Gee willikers!!!
 
Arch Enemy said:
Petraeus For President in 2012?

time to get serious. I'd vote for him.
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By the way where was this great general during the first six years of Bush and Cheney's war in Iraq? Was he involved in making any decisions reguarding how it was waged and the recommendations of just how many troops initially it would take to do the job properly?

Was he out of the picture when the previous administration chose their policies reguarding Afghanistan?
 
goldendog said:
By the way where was this great general during the first six years of Bush and Cheney's war in Iraq? Was he involved in making any decisions reguarding how it was waged and the recommendations of just how many troops initially it would take to do the job properly?

Was he out of the picture when the previous administration chose their policies reguarding Afghanistan?
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He was in Iraq since 2003.

The Bush/Cheney example is a great one because of the level of absolute idiocy in the White House. I still cannot believe they allowed Bremer to step foot into Iraq.
 
goldendog said:
By the way where was this great general during the first six years of Bush and Cheney's war in Iraq? Was he involved in making any decisions reguarding how it was waged and the recommendations of just how many troops initially it would take to do the job properly?

Was he out of the picture when the previous administration chose their policies reguarding Afghanistan?
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Where were you that you are so blind to his bio?

David Petraeus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Someone correct me if I am wrong but if Obama approved the troop increase wouldn't it not take effect until next year?
 
Arch Enemy said:
Petraeus For President in 2012? time to get serious. I'd vote for him.
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Petraeus has already denied this rumor several times. He's waiting on the Joint Chiefs job that will open up when Adm. Mullen leaves. But, that won't be for a while. He'll keep the CJCS through past 2012.

He's an ambitious guy, but 2012 is too soon. Maybe 2016.
 
apdst said:
I understand what you're saying and I agree that withdrawel beats doing nothing all to hell. But, at the end of the day, if we leave, we'll be going back so some other mother's kid can die to do it all over again.
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I think at this point it would be better to go back later when the POTUS has the resolve and the backbone to do what needs to be done.
 
Gibberish said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong but if Obama approved the troop increase wouldn't it not take effect until next year?
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Lets say you are right... What effect does didding for a few months have on getting troops there "in a year"?
 
Gibberish said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong but if Obama approved the troop increase wouldn't it not take effect until next year?
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It will take several months to get all the additional soldiers on the ground and in their battle positions. All the more reason to stop ass'n around.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I think at this point it would be better to go back later when the POTUS has the resolve and the backbone to do what needs to be done.
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That could very well be the best scenario. While I would rather not have to do it all over again, it may wind up costing use fewer casualties.

The biggest problem I have with a pull out is the damage to morale that it's going to cause. The Libbos will be calling our soldier loosers for the next 30 years. We'll be told how mountain farmers with muskets kicked the **** out of the best trained and equipped army in the world.
 
apdst said:
That could very well be the best scenario. While I would rather not have to do it all over again, it may wind up costing use fewer casualties.

The biggest problem I have with a pull out is the damage to morale that it's going to cause. The Libbos will be calling our soldier loosers for the next 30 years. We'll be told how mountain farmers with muskets kicked the **** out of the best trained and equipped army in the world.
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They called us nazi's, war criminals, murderers, drug addicts, uneducated, and tools.....


What does them calling us Losers add to the equasion. :shrug:
 
What if the Afghan government remains questionably corrupt and unresponsive to efforts to reform?

No amount of military might would be sufficient to win the support of the people outside of the large cities.

The decision to add troops to an unstable and/or untenable political situation would spell disaster.

That's why Obama will wait til after the run off election 11/7/09 to decide.

If the people believe the election is bogus we will be throwing good lives away.

This article is enlightening.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/weekinreview/25filkins.html?hpw
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This story has some anecdotal stories here, but it follows the same thing I and many other veterans have been saying about Obama's fiddling while Afghanistan burns.... Troop moral is suffering, and I hate to read stories like this. Obama needs to make a decision now.
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Well it's not the first war. If we keep haphazardly engaging in wars, it won't be the last to turn out like this either. We have to be smarter about wars, not hamstring our troops, and understand that we're not occupiers. Also, declare war for the love of all that is holy. It's really the only way by the Constitution we can go to war. And it makes things easier. You have to define goals and endgame before hand (I mean, it would be nice if regardless this was done; but obviously it's not). And if Congress is too chicken **** to actually officially declare war, well maybe it was a war we shouldn't have been getting into then.

The stuff going on now needs to stop. Either give the military what it needs to finish, or pull the military out. I prefer the latter.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
They called us nazi's, war criminals, murderers, drug addicts, uneducated, and tools.....


What does them calling us Losers add to the equasion. :shrug:
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I don't think that's accurate-- the horrid treatment of soldiers after Vietnam is unlikely to happen again any time soon; I hope.

Libbos and Connies may not agree on war, but they do, largely, both support soldiers.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Lets say you are right... What effect does didding for a few months have on getting troops there "in a year"?
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None at all. Obama clearly needs to make a decision and the longer he waits the worse it looks on him as a leader.

It just makes the hyperbole clear from those that are saying that soldiers are dieing today because Obama hasn't made a decision. His decision would not impact soldiers in Afghan for months.
 
Gibberish said:
None at all. Obama clearly needs to make a decision and the longer he waits the worse it looks on him as a leader.

It just makes the hyperbole clear from those that are saying that soldiers are dieing today because Obama hasn't made a decision. His decision would not impact soldiers in Afghan for months.
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It takes more than military success to defeat insurgents. Insurgency grows where a corrupt and weak government does not provide security, justice, and opportunity. Unless these underlying problems are resolved, the military can kill insurgents forever, and more will emerge. Insurgency is a symptom of deeper ills. The rub is that these deeper ills are not military, but political, economic, and social--things that armed forces are not prepared to fix.
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http://www.tnr.com/article/world/the-civilian-surge-myth
 
Arch Enemy said:
I don't think that's accurate-- the horrid treatment of soldiers after Vietnam is unlikely to happen again any time soon; I hope.

Libbos and Connies may not agree on war, but they do, largely, both support soldiers.
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really? Do I need to name who said each of these things? ;)


Kerry
Murtha
Durbin
Obama


just for starters...
 
Gibberish said:
None at all. Obama clearly needs to make a decision and the longer he waits the worse it looks on him as a leader.

It just makes the hyperbole clear from those that are saying that soldiers are dieing today because Obama hasn't made a decision. His decision would not impact soldiers in Afghan for months.
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So you need to link to a "year" first of all...


and if it takes obama 6 months to make a decision, isnt that now a year and a half?
 
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