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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ok - good question.

    I must admit I'm confused. The other week I could have SWORN I read and debated in a thread pertaining to Obama ending funding for Iraq-democrat groups . . . I must be getting my facts confused and I appologize.
    I tried to find the thread but can't land my hands on it - I'm not sure if it's here or elsewhere.

    When I find it I'll be certain to re-read it and understand it fully and get back twoya.

    In the meantime - it's like Shrodinger's Cat.
    There was an Iran Democracy group that he dropped funding for. Could that be what you are thinking of?

    Obama Cuts Pro-Democracy Funds for Iran

    I do not support this.

    It is like Schroedinger's Cat: A wave function representing Iraqs government stability. Will the wave function collapse and result in democracy or dictatorship or something else?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There was an Iran Democracy group that he dropped funding for. Could that be what you are thinking of?

    Obama Cuts Pro-Democracy Funds for Iran

    I do not support this.

    It is like Schroedinger's Cat: A wave function representing Iraqs government stability. Will the wave function collapse and result in democracy or dictatorship or something else?

    Yes! Thank you so much.

    See - obviously I was sorely mistaken, fortunately I didn't make a complete ass out of myself by repeating misinformation.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is a hoot! "the most authoritative source"? Says who? Commomdreams.org? Give me a break. I presented no less than three articles showing why IBC is nothing more than a radical liberal lie. But as most far left arguers go you will continue to ignore that, and present the lies as fact.


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    They are not associated with Commondreams.org. They are a British research group and are widely considered by both the right and left to be the most authoritative source on Iraqi deaths. Let's see your source that is more authoritative than Iraq Body Count? I have asked you before and you have provided nothing.

    Do you have anything to add to this discussion?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    We did not do this in Operation Iraqi Freedom. When did we do this?

    In Gulf War 1. Is this the first you've heard of it?

    Ok, now you are doing a devious thing. In this conversation we are having, we have been talking about two different things. First there is the reasons for going to war. Second there is how we are doing now and what should we do.

    This particular item was about whether civil war would resume if we pulled entirely out, in the present tense. I referenced those countries we helped establish democracies in, in that light. A good comparison. We are not inexperienced at this as a country.

    INSTEAD, you are switching the argument you are making to one of the reasons we went to war. It doesn't matter. Stop doing that!

    You are the one that brought up Germany and Japan. We did not go to war with either to bring Democracy to them. They were threats, Iraq was not.
    That is why your analogy does not apply.


    I did not. Earlier I said that the country was geopolitically important because of oil, not that we were there to get it. We'll buy it on the open market.

    Exactly, that's the same thing I am saying. It was about controlling the region militarily so no one can mess with our oil interests. After we invaded and occupied Iraq, US oil was able to return to the US for the first time since Saddam had kicked them out years ago, and now there is no worry about the pro-west government we installed switching to the Euro as Saddam had threatened to do. And we have bases and troops readily available to prevent any attacks on our government there or sabotage of the oil infrastructure.

    It is but it is up to us to help them however we can.

    Not if they do not want us there.

    Yes, the people are pessimistic about us. Can't blame them really. We will see what happens.
    Its not a mystery. We have an agreement to have all our combat troops out in 2011. After that we will watch as the Iraqis install their own government. Most likely strongly influenced by Iran.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The interim government yes, but the current government no.
    He could not even have entered the country without us. We then appoint him to the Interim government and recommend him to run as Prime Minister.

    We could hardly have done more to help install a Pro-western leader.

    He would not be where he is with out us.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have an agreement to have all our combat troops out in 2011.
    Not happening. Mark my words. I know it for a fact. Not happening.

    After that we will watch as the Iraqis install their own government.
    Yikes.

    Most likely strongly influenced by Iran.
    Yep.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Not happening. Mark my words. I know it for a fact. Not happening.

    It will happen before election time in 2012 if Obama wants to be reelected.

    Yikes.


    Yep.
    Yep............
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    I was very proud of my friend Dr B Iddon MP and the other 148 cross party MP's who voted with the rebel amendment that there was no moral case for this war.

    Blair was as responsible as Bush for this disgrace.

    I had to interview a Blair speech writer who had been parachuted into a constituency as a prospective MP.

    I cannot go into details of that interview, save to say, he confirmed what the 149 MP's stated.

    You were duped America, just like the UK was.

    I do not hate America or its people, but the 8yrs of Dubya are a stain on the civilized world.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It will happen before election time in 2012 if Obama wants to be reelected.
    It's not going to. The military is to big and slow to do a withdrawl that quickly. 2013, maybe. Probably 2015.

    It doesn't matter. No one cares about Iraq anymore. It will be another promise Obama made to the left that he will break.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I was very proud of my friend Dr B Iddon MP and the other 148 cross party MP's who voted with the rebel amendment that there was no moral case for this war.

    Blair was as responsible as Bush for this disgrace.

    I had to interview a Blair speech writer who had been parachuted into a constituency as a prospective MP.

    I cannot go into details of that interview, save to say, he confirmed what the 149 MP's stated.

    You were duped America, just like the UK was.

    I do not hate America or its people, but the 8yrs of Dubya are a stain on the civilized world.

    Well said. I could not agree more!
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