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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    WAIT! My mistake! I meant icasualties.org

    Wow, sorry for the mix up! This website is very reliable and accurate.

    It shows like every SIGACT broke down by American/Iraqi/Contractor. They do a great job.

    No problem, That site is very good. Thanks for sharing it.



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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    America was attacked from the Taliban,this is war,so i say to the American
    people,crush them once and for all,the same as you did to Germany.Take there
    land and keep it.United States i will back them to the hilt,finest
    army in the world,so go and do the job and clean that rubbish out.As for Pakistan
    they will just have to do what they are told from America,as it should
    be.I can say more,but let me say one more thing,


    America is the greatest no dout about that on this

    PLANET.

    God bless United States of America.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean excepting when we strike water treatment plants and electricity plants that result in the deaths of a hundred thousand innocent civilians?
    We did not do this in Operation Iraqi Freedom. When did we do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    So you do not believe the civil war will resume, when we are not there to prevent it?
    It is definitely one possible outcome. We must do what we can to avoid this, especially since "we broke it, we fix it". This means pulling out some of the troops, to allow them to establish their own security, but not all of our troops. I will now invoke Germany and Japan and Korea as cases where we helped establish democracies and we still have significant troops there today. We need to do the same with Iraq.
    Apples and oranges. The difference being that Germany and Japan were attacking other countries. Iraq was not, in fact did not the capacity to be a threat after Gulf War 1 and 10 years of sanctions. Iraq was already defeated.
    Ok, now you are doing a devious thing. In this conversation we are having, we have been talking about two different things. First there is the reasons for going to war. Second there is how we are doing now and what should we do.

    This particular item was about whether civil war would resume if we pulled entirely out, in the present tense. I referenced those countries we helped establish democracies in, in that light. A good comparison. We are not inexperienced at this as a country.

    INSTEAD, you are switching the argument you are making to one of the reasons we went to war. It doesn't matter. Stop doing that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib
    I told you it is about spreading democracy, not getting oil. Now that we are there, we need to be successful.
    Than you have changed your opinion, because earlier you were indicating that it was partly about the oil.
    I did not. Earlier I said that the country was geopolitically important because of oil, not that we were there to get it. We'll buy it on the open market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We need to be successful in what? It is up to the Iraqis to determine their fate and how they handle their own oil resources
    It is but it is up to us to help them however we can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are representing what the pro-west government we helped helped set up is saying.

    I am speaking of the Iraqi people that will topple the pro-west government when we remove our heavily armed occupation forces.
    Yes, the people are pessimistic about us. Can't blame them really. We will see what happens.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is but it is up to us to help them however we can.
    You oppose Obama ending funding to the Iraqi-Democrats, then?

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's where the pro-west puppet aspect comes into play!
    The interim government yes, but the current government no.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    As you can imagine, there is only so much I can say on an open source forum. I'm not trying to sound elitist, but I'm privy to information you don't have. And I don't know everything, obviously. But what I can assure you of is that there is NO LOVE LOST between AAI and the Ba'athists.

    Let me put it this way: in the ME, particularly in Iraq, the alliances and monetary links are very shady. You would be surprised by who crawls into bed with each other and for what reason. IF AAI or KWP recieved funding or any other support from the Ba'athists, it was because they were doing something in return; not because Saddam supported their cause. Saddam was an "anything-supporter" as long as it benefitted him and didn't subvert his authority and command.

    Though none of those groups, despite the alleged links had anything to do with 9/11.

    Hey, BTW, my gmail isn't functioning at work, so I'll email you back when I get home. I did read it last night, though. I'm glad you enjoyed the letters.
    I can totally see that Saddam wouldn't have supported the cause of the Kurdish terrorist groups.

    Thanks!

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You oppose Obama ending funding to the Iraqi-Democrats, then?

    (pure curiosity)
    This is not ringing a bell. What happened?

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not true. There was collaboration and meetings. One held in Hungary I think. Nothing to do with 9-11, though.
    As I said, Hussein had nothing to do with ALQ in any significance at all.

    Saddam had relationships with several terrorist groups. Remember Ansar al-Islam?
    Old Bush bs, trotted out by Powell who got suckered to beleive it and who has since disavowed it.
    [quote\The general consensus of experts, as well as the conclusion of the intelligence community and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is that Saddam was infiltrating the group but that the two parties remained hostile to each other and did not establish a collaborative relationship.Wikepedia[/quote]

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    As I said, Hussein had nothing to do with ALQ in any significance at all.



    Old Bush bs, trotted out by Powell who got suckered to beleive it and who has since disavowed it.
    [quote\The general consensus of experts, as well as the conclusion of the intelligence community and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is that Saddam was infiltrating the group but that the two parties remained hostile to each other and did not establish a collaborative relationship.Wikepedia
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    Yep, I already conceded both claims I made.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    This is not ringing a bell. What happened?
    Ok - good question.

    I must admit I'm confused. The other week I could have SWORN I read and debated in a thread pertaining to Obama ending funding for Iraq-democrat groups . . . I must be getting my facts confused and I appologize.
    I tried to find the thread but can't land my hands on it - I'm not sure if it's here or elsewhere.

    When I find it I'll be certain to re-read it and understand it fully and get back twoya.

    In the meantime - it's like Shrodinger's Cat.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
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