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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We do have it, but your buds in the enviro communist movement will not let us become truly independent. Why is that do you suppose?
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    You are simply repeating a slogan only brought up during elections.

    How did my buds in the enviro movement stop it between 1994 - 2006 when the Republicans were in charge of Congress???
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't confirm anything, because I don't know what deals were struck. We certainly weren't going to support the Ayatollah who was supported by the Russians. Had we done so, you be questioning why we're against the Iranian regime now. So with you it's always a no win situation for the US, not unsurprisingly.

    I just want us to learn to live on our resources without starting wars to control others. It is what the American spirit used to be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I just want us to learn to live on our resources without starting wars to control others. It is what the American spirit used to be!
    Then start a thread and speak out against the environazis.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Civilized:
    1.having an advanced or humane culture, society, etc.
    2.polite; well-bred; refined.
    3.of or pertaining to civilized people: The civilized world must fight ignorance.
    4.easy to manage or control; well organized or ordered: The car is quiet and civilized, even in sharp turns.

    So, it depends on which definition you were considering ... truly, definition 4 certain fits: they subjugated their people so throughly they became easy to control (for them). Yet #2 does not apply to tyrants of their caliper.
    Modern day Iraq was all of those compared to the most of the rest of the Middle Eastern countries.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You could have taken out Saddam's sons with your six-shooter there. When Saddam was at his murderous worst, we were his allies, (Rumsfeld was over there shaking his hand) so I do not believe that was the reason.






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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then start a thread and speak out against the environazis.
    The enviros are not the problem. Otherwise the Republicans would have drilled during 1994 - 2006 when they were in control of Congress.

    Do yourself a favor and review the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves"]Summary of Reserve Data as of 2008[/ame]
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for reminding us we have always been morally weak.
    The British, French, Germans, and Japanese were once mortal enemies and killed many Americans, they are now our allies. Your erred guess here that we're morally weak lacks historical perspective.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    The British, French, Germans, and Japanese were once mortal enemies and killed many Americans, they are now our allies. Your erred guess here that we're morally weak lacks historical perspective.
    We have had our noble moments. We have also been as morally low as the terrorists. We have the distinction of being the only nation ever to have used nuclear weapons on civilian populations. Twice!

    Then we invaded countries that never attacked us, nor had the capacity to attack us - Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The enviros are not the problem. Otherwise the Republicans would have drilled during 1994 - 2006 when they were in control of Congress.

    Do yourself a favor and review the Summary of Reserve Data as of 2008
    Do us all a favor and get a clue. Clinton wouldn't have allowed it, nor Bush. BTW, the states have a lot to say about where drilling can occur.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, by Saudis mostly. The one country we did not attack.
    No UN violations, no WMD program intelligence, not central to the geopolitical region, not officially sponsored by the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yet still we killed more.
    No we didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, all we have in Iraq, is a successful occupation. Until we remove our occupation forces that prop up our puppet government, and stop the American taxpayer payola to the bad guys, we cannot claim anything else.
    I will have to meet you in the middle since this is not one-dimensional and there is no black and white.

    We have a successful occupation. We have helped establish a real democracy, not a puppet government. Their government does things that are not in our interest, like setting a timetable for sending troops home and getting them out of the cities and attacking Basra and Moqtada al-Sadr.

    I believe we are still paying the Sunnis to be security forces, and many of them used to be insurgents. The Shia government is not paying them, unless things have changed. They need jobs, either security, civilian or insurgency. We prefer them to have civilian jobs. Working the big problem here.

    In conclusion, we can claim successes, tempered by reality. Please don't issue blanket statements that we cannot claim some degree of success. It isn't accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If it is important to them it will be done by them. We have no right to enforce our way of government on others at the end of a gun.
    They need the capacity to do so against an organized insurgency. We have to a) provide local security until the capability is in place with local forces and b) train them.

    We most certainly have the right to enforce our way of government on others at the end of a gun. We have along history of doing so. It is in their interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is the most authoritative report on the failure of our "war on terror."
    I not that it is not necesarily the most authoritative report on the war on terror, but the most authoritative report on the failure of our war on terror. It shows the growth in terror since the Vietnam war showed that it was an effective strategy for underpowered forces against established armies. It is non-linear warfare.

    We have successes that you are not interested in highlighting, since it undermines your position.

    You are not being objective, you are being partisan and selective.
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