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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    if we had it, we would not be fighting Middle East wars to control that region.

    We have know that for 35 years!

    We do have it, but your buds in the enviro communist movement will not let us become truly independent. Why is that do you suppose?


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you deny we supported Saddam during his most murderous period when he accepted our bribes for sweet oil deals?
    I don't confirm anything, because I don't know what deals were struck. We certainly weren't going to support the Ayatollah who was supported by the Russians. Had we done so, you be questioning why we're against the Iranian regime now. So with you it's always a no win situation for the US, not unsurprisingly.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so you liked the "freedom" they had before better?
    I don't get a choice in how other governments choose to govern. They were considered to be one of the most civilized countries in the Middle East, and al Qaeda did not get along with Saddam. In addition, Saddam was able to bluff Iran into staying out as well. All that ended when we invaded and occupied their country.

    There are still more Iraqis being killed today, six years into our war there than there were before we invaded them.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't get a choice in how other governments choose to govern. They were considered to be one of the most civilized countries in the Middle East, and al Qaeda did not get along with Saddam. In addition, Saddam was able to bluff Iran into staying out as well. All that ended when we invaded and occupied their country.

    There are still more Iraqis being killed today, six years into our war there than there were before we invaded them.
    Civilized:
    1.having an advanced or humane culture, society, etc.
    2.polite; well-bred; refined.
    3.of or pertaining to civilized people: The civilized world must fight ignorance.
    4.easy to manage or control; well organized or ordered: The car is quiet and civilized, even in sharp turns.

    So, it depends on which definition you were considering ... truly, definition 4 certain fits: they subjugated their people so throughly they became easy to control (for them). Yet #2 does not apply to tyrants of their caliper.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There are still more Iraqis being killed today, six years into our war there than there were before we invaded them.


    i am going to need to see your source for this statement please.


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What do you think would have been the outcome for the Iraqi people, had Saddam Hussein, and his evil sons been allowed to continue to brutally dominate his own people, while at the same time continuing to develop WMD unchecked, under a corrupt UN system of inspection?

    I think somewhere along the line I think you must have missed Gulf War 1 where we literally back a century. That is about how long it would have been before Saddam could have been a threat to anyone.

    Revenge against whom? Are we not there trying to provide Afghanistan ample breathing room to get its governmental affairs in order so that we can leave the security of that country to itself without fear that the Taliban will again take over?
    If that was our mission, then we have failed in it for the last 8 years. It is being determined now what our new mission will be.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    When Stalin was at his worst, we were his ally. When al-Qaeda were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, we were supplying information and technology.

    Historical perspective always helpful.
    Thanks for reminding us we have always been morally weak.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'll tell you why, because Saudi Arabia would hang any environazi that tried to stop oil drilling over there.

    Take a look at at map showing the oil reserves on the planet if you are unaware that the Middle East holds the largest, most pure, and most easily retrievable oil reserves on the planet!
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    i am going to need to see your source for this statement please.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Take a look at at map showing the oil reserves on the planet if you are unaware that the Middle East holds the largest, most pure, and most easily retrievable oil reserves on the planet!
    What does that have to do with environazis? Does that make a difference to them?
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