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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I heard an Admiral on the Rusty Humphries show last week, I think, that was on that ship, and he was explaining that the sign was the brain child of the ships XO, that put it up to signify the end of that ships mission. But, we see what happens when we let a biased liberal media get ahold of it.
    Poor XO gets the blame! Man!

    Perception is everything, though. It didn't help that the banner was behind Bush on international TV declaring that we'd essentially won in Iraq.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    They weren't responsible for the atrocities commited. They were only responsible for sending us there in the first place. Was that a crime?
    I believe so. Attacking a country that never attacked us, nor had the capacity to attack us was a moral crime.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aw BS. You wouldn't give anything Rand has to say any time at all unless it agreed with your view that America is ignoble.
    You prefer to ignore their findings because it does not match your world view???
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You like the name calling thing, huh?

    So because I expect the US to be on a higher moral ground than the enemy, that makes me anti-American?




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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I believe so. Attacking a country that never attacked us, nor had the capacity to attack us was a moral crime.
    I'll skip arguing this point, since 1) I've done it 3 times in 3 days already, 2) I am currently internally debating the point (did Bush know there were no WMDs? - I don't think he did. Is being in the national interest sufficient to justify an invasion or does it have to be in national defense? - I think national interest is sufficient).

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So because I expect the US to be on a higher moral ground than the enemy, that makes me anti-American?

    Oh please.....The question is two fold. One, do you think that what America is doing there is the right thing? and Two, do you want America to succeed?


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You prefer to ignore their findings because it does not match your world view???


    Not at all, but that is not the entirety of the report now is it?


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    That would be correct. How does his indecision on future strategy cause soldiers, fighting under the current strategy, to die there today?
    Why do we need a new strategy, if troop aren't dying under the old strategy?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Poor XO gets the blame! Man!

    Perception is everything, though. It didn't help that the banner was behind Bush on international TV declaring that we'd essentially won in Iraq.


    But see, that is the spin that the media put on it, not what it was, or was it the only way it could have been construed, no?


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I don't have "proof" at my fingertips. I make the assertion based on observation that all of those suicide bombings on bridges during religious festivals and car bombings in markets kill large numbers of Iraqis and are most definitely caused by terrorists/insurgents.

    Yes, by Saudis mostly. The one country we did not attack. Yet still we killed more.



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    You posted this before and I commented. This goes to 2006 and so leaves out the publication of the new Army Counterinsurgency Field Manual, the Surge, and the implementation of the new counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq. It goes through the breakout of civil war in Iraq and so obviously counts it a failure. The rule is "less is more".

    That just relates to successful occupation, which I have never argued. It does not negate their findings that terrorists have grown in numbers worldwide through the 2008 report date.

    The observations of the report make perfect sense. You cannot oppose an insurgency with direct military force. You have to protect the population (the battlefield), separate the insurgents from the innocents and their potential support and discredit their activities and establish your trustworthiness. They have done this successfully in Iraq now in 2009.

    No, all we have in Iraq, is a successful occupation. Until we remove our occupation forces that prop up our puppet government, and stop the American taxpayer payola to the bad guys, we cannot claim anything else.


    I disagree with the conclusions in this paragraph. It says: "means a light military footprint or none at all". If you are going to do counterinsurgency, you need the force capable of protecting the population. If local forces are up to the job then that is GREAT! Otherwise, our forces will need to be deployed to protect, as well as to train the new local forces.

    If it is important to them it will be done by them. We have no right to enforce our way of government on others at the end of a gun.

    The Surge in Iraq, a move that this report was opposed to, succeeded.

    Where is the success?????

    We still have 150,000 troops there! Until all those troops are brought home and our puppet government continues to stand can you claim success.

    If I were you I would stop using this report in your arguments here.
    Why is that? It is the most authoritative report on the failure of our "war on terror." To ignore it is to increase the threat to our National Security!
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