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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    yet Korea remains a huge threat to many. they now have nuclear ability
    yep. I don't have an opinion about what to do about N. Korea. I don't have a clue.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    yet Korea remains a huge threat to many. they now have nuclear ability
    In my opinion we should take a general stance that if they're not acting against anyone then they aren't a threat.

    Someone can have a registered rifle in their home but if they're not threatening anyone with it then they can't be charged with a crime not yet committed and accused thereof.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    yep. I don't have an opinion about what to do about N. Korea. I don't have a clue.
    at this point it would take a global initiative to make any headway.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In my opinion we should take a general stance that if they're not acting against anyone then they aren't a threat.

    Someone can have a registered rifle in their home but if they're not threatening anyone with it then they can't be charged with a crime not yet committed and accused thereof.
    i so agree with you on this.

    i have always believed that as long as one is aloud to have Nuclear weapons everyone should.

    i used Korea as an example of why did they not get attacked for Nukes and Iraq did. there were other reasons for Iraq. it was not that they were a nuclear threat.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i so agree with you on this.

    i have always believed that as long as one is aloud to have Nuclear weapons everyone should.

    i used Korea as an example of why did they not get attacked for Nukes and Iraq did. there were other reasons for Iraq. it was not that they were a nuclear threat.
    Yeah, I definitely agree with you on this, too.

    Some things we simply cannot control or pick and choose - we should react to actions, not preemptive. Eventhough, sometimes, that seems to put us IN danger it is still better than attacking (or other action) without probably cause.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0
    there were other reasons for Iraq. it was not that they were a nuclear threat.
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    we should react to actions, not preemptive
    I don't know if it is called the Bush Doctrine, since they sold this on the threat of WMD, but I do think there were other reasons we went to Iraq. It wasn't even pre-emptive or even preventative. We went to change the government to a democracy. Regime change.

    Iraq was a bad country (threat to neighbors, WMD history, dictatorship, cruel to people) that was geopolitically important (oil, important neighbors, centrally located in important region <oil again>), so it was in our interest, and had the capacity for democratization (educated, economic potantial). Once in awhile, that kind of country is ripe for regime change. Not all countries, not all the time. So Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Congo, etc are out of consideration.

    That's my case. I have made this argument in another thread and I am presented with the assertion that it is unjust. I currently think it is just, and have for 7 years, mainly because I think it is in our interest. I hope to do some reading about that and I may have to change my mind.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I don't know if it is called the Bush Doctrine, since they sold this on the threat of WMD, but I do think there were other reasons we went to Iraq. It wasn't even pre-emptive or even preventative. We went to change the government to a democracy. Regime change.

    Iraq was a bad country (threat to neighbors, WMD history, dictatorship, cruel to people) that was geopolitically important (oil, important neighbors, centrally located in important region <oil again>), so it was in our interest, and had the capacity for democratization (educated, economic potantial). Once in awhile, that kind of country is ripe for regime change. Not all countries, not all the time. So Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Congo, etc are out of consideration.

    That's my case. I have made this argument in another thread and I am presented with the assertion that it is unjust. I currently think it is just, and have for 7 years, mainly because I think it is in our interest. I hope to do some reading about that and I may have to change my mind.
    Some of those things could be deemed as probably cause.

    If we went and attacked North Korea purely based on the fact that htey are nuclear - that would not be probably cause.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I don't know if it is called the Bush Doctrine, since they sold this on the threat of WMD, but I do think there were other reasons we went to Iraq. It wasn't even pre-emptive or even preventative. We went to change the government to a democracy. Regime change.

    Iraq was a bad country (threat to neighbors, WMD history, dictatorship, cruel to people) that was geopolitically important (oil, important neighbors, centrally located in important region <oil again>), so it was in our interest, and had the capacity for democratization (educated, economic potantial). Once in awhile, that kind of country is ripe for regime change. Not all countries, not all the time. So Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Congo, etc are out of consideration.

    That's my case. I have made this argument in another thread and I am presented with the assertion that it is unjust. I currently think it is just, and have for 7 years, mainly because I think it is in our interest. I hope to do some reading about that and I may have to change my mind.
    i am happy to see that you are open minded on a change of mind. having been doing news during the time of the invasion and having read the intell that was available to us which of course was limited greatly. i do think that your reason may be a valid debate point. what i find more troubling is that out of all the nations that caused a threat the least likely to have harmed the US directly was Iraq. they were depleted.

    i have always been of the opinion that Bush used the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to round about take a slap at Saddam Hussein. to me all other reason aside it looks like a Vendetta. many other news people at the time and still see this attack the same way. no one understood how Iraq a nation that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks was selected first on the terror list. it made no sense.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Some of those things could be deemed as probably cause.

    If we went and attacked North Korea purely based on the fact that htey are nuclear - that would not be probably cause.
    the reasons that were given by Bush before the attack on Iraq were WMD's were present. that was the cause of the attack according to the administration of the time.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    in my definitions above this looks far more like a terrorist act than a friendly gesture. it is the worlds way of knocking down Iraq's World Trade Centers. i do not blame just the US for this invasion.
    terrorists are people that use terrorism tactics to acheive their strategic aim. The invasion was not terrorism.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    no the US is not directly responsible. but as you look, had the coalition not been present many of the acts of self styled militia and fringe elements would never have occurred. so the blood splashes in all directions. everyone gets dirty.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    this is a tough point. i really believe that the coalition forces tried their hardest to avoid the death of innocents. the problem is that a great deal of collateral damage does happen. in a guerrilla tactic's siege it is often hard to know the true enemy. it could be anyone. the Iraqi defenders would as i stated put innocents in the way. (example: a tactic used against Israel was for a radar station to be set in a hospital. how does Israel take out that instillation without harming innocents.)
    Yes, the insurgents and terrorists would embed in civilians and attack civilians. Truly despicable.

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