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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Bush wasn't focused on Bin Laden.
    Apparently not, since he let him escape at Tora Bora (Dalton Fury)

    Niether is Obama, you know the current president.
    Because OBL is dead. They just haven't told us yet.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Is there a point to your uninformed rant?

    In Korea, the Communists attempted to take over the South Korean nation. The UN prevented it and South Korea is a shining example of democratic prosperity.

    Here's a short history lesson for you so that you can be more informed which makes my point again:

    Nov 14, 1947 U.N. Resolution to remove troops from Korea after national elections.

    April 8, 1948 President Truman orders withdrawal of US troops from Korea

    June 29, 1949 Last US troops leave South Korea
    Korean Military Advisory Group (KMAG, 200 men) formed

    June 25 Korean time NK invades Republic of South Korea (ROK) without warning

    June 25 New York time
    UN Security Council demands NK stop its attack and return to its borders

    June 30 NK 3rd Division (NK-3) crosses Han River; NK drives down Peninsula

    June 30 President Truman commits US Troops to enforce UN demand


    Sound familiar yet?

    You want to talk about Vietnam? That war was contrived by DEMOCRATS and planned and fought in the White House. The only reason South Vietnam does not exist today which resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent people in SE Asia was because the intransigent Democrat Congress at the time felt it was more convenient to ignore an ally and go back on their word.

    How did that work out for us?
    The point is that you used two extreme examples as excuse for all intervention previously. But not all intervention has yielded anything productive. Korea and Vietnam were long fought, expensive (especially in terms of lives at the time) wars which fought to stalemate. If there are similarities between Afghanistan/Iraq and previous wars, it would be well more similar to Vietnam of Korea than it would WW I and WW II. In fact, WW II was the last time we even officially declared war.

    Thus the ignorance is on your side. You cannot use unrelated wars, such as the World Wars as excuse for all intervention. Interventionist policies may be needed but they can also harm. Thus the specifics of each circumstance must be looked at.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The differences could not be vaster; unless of course you willingly suspend disbelief.
    they are not large differences. the end result of either side is that the rich stay rich.

    No, Obama is clueless and is showing how little experience he truly brings to the job. In addition, he is also a very political animal and knows that if he doesnít pass his poorly thought out partisan agenda while he has BIG majorities in the Congress, he will never get another chance.
    Obama is has taken on more than he should have at any one time so loses effectiveness. would you really like to say that Bush did a better job. when he came into power the country was not in the toilet as it was when Obama came into office.

    I am continually fascinated by this lie; the notion that Bush did not focus on capturing Bin laden cannot be supported by any facts and is more the realm of hyperbolic partisan BS.
    if he did where is Bin Laden now. it is not a lie. it is the truth. it is not partisan at all. this is what you want to make this debate about. it has nothing to do with Obama's abilities or Bush's. it has to do with why the US is doing what it is doing.

    I cannot make sense of this comment; the notion that American is an empire is patently absurd.
    that is a phrase used to make a point. i believed that everyone had heard that term before. it was also applied to the USSR when they invaded Afghanistan. Afghanistan is where empire goes to die. you have not heard this before.


    Of course you blame everyone except for the despots, tyrants, dictators and terrorists who are the cause of all our problems in the ME. I cannot say that I am surprised because blaming the US appears to be a simplistic and convenient place to wallow in factual and historic denial.
    no they are not. outside interference is much to blame. the US in this is an easy target. they have set themselves up as such.

    This is of course your own OPINION which lacks any factual basis or historic reference. The FACT is that any notions that if we just withdraw into a cocoon the world will be a better place is naÔve, dangerous and would be disastrous.
    yours too is your own notion.

    The good news here is that you donít hold any office so your opinions are just that.
    the same could be said for you.


    The reasons for the hatred of the West are purely due to ignorance. The only way that such ignorance can be perpetuated is by avoiding the truth and historic realities that breed such ignorance.
    this is not true either.

    The West is not attempting to make these cultures anything like they are; they are attempting to deny despots, dictators and terrorists the capability of causing destruction and harm to their citizens.
    yes they are by nation building and deciding that all nations should be democracy's

    I am constantly amazed how people like you, who can easily obtain the facts and historic truth, swallow the asinine terrorist propaganda with such aplomb.

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    well since that is untrue i will not even respond to this one.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Bush wasn't focused on Bin Laden. Niether is Obama, you know the current president.
    you forget that Bush was focused on Bin Laden when he said it or was that a lie as well.

    Obama is trying to deal with the mess of Bush. Obama's fault is that he is still trying to do that and not removing troops.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
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    It was the ships mission anyways.
    that is how the spin doctor's want it to sound.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    No oil?
    that is certainly truth spoken. Iraq oil makes all the difference.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Korea was and is a larger nuclear threat than Iraq ever was yet they remain untouched. why is that?
    Low geopolitical importance = no oil and no important neighbors.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I'm pretty sure the banner was in reference to the war...

    Maybe I'm an idiot.
    it was in reference to the war. when Bush looked like an ass a while later they spun it to make seem as if this was the ships mission.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Low geopolitical importance = no oil and no important neighbors.
    yet Korea remains a huge threat to many. they now have nuclear ability
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    The Mission Accomplished speech was May 1, 2003
    My mistake...he did say that in a Sept 2004 speech...but here is the transcripts from the actual mission accomplished speech...where he made the same claims.

    CNN.com - Bush makes historic speech aboard warship - May. 1, 2003


    "In the battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists and the camps where they trained. We continue to help the Afghan people lay roads, restore hospitals and educate all of their children."

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