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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Katie, I totally agree with you. The only reason soldiers wouldn't want their picture taken is if they are doing something wrong. I understand that not all reporters are honest (look at people like Limbaugh) but we need the media so we know what is happening. Frankly, I wish we were more like Canada in that regard and kept our nose out everyone's business.
    Yes, the age old farcical notion that if we just kept to ourselves, the world would be a better place.

    But yet, in historical context it begs the question; how did that work for us in WWI? How about WWII?

    Carry on; your uniformed assertions about our role in history are about as informed as your opinions are about the economy.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    But no connetion to the 9-11 attacks...those threats and people were left behind in Afghanistan and the Pakistan border region.
    Once more it is painfully obvious, and typical, that you did not read the joint resolution which contains the reasons we went into Iraq; it is called enforcement of UN resolutions and agreements Saddam failed to comply with.

    Of course the TRUTH and the FACTS are an inconvenience to your hyped up partisan views.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    I think we will be very fortunate as a nation that not all presidents have the same standards as far a honor and dignity goes and have a totally different definition as to what honesty is and what a Accomplished Mission really is.
    I tried to use my goldendog translator here and still cannot make any sense of the above; we are probably better off for it.


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Once more it is painfully obvious, and typical, that you did not read the joint resolution which contains the reasons we went into Iraq; it is called enforcement of UN resolutions and agreements Saddam failed to comply with.

    Of course the TRUTH and the FACTS are an inconvenience to your hyped up partisan views.



    I tried to use my goldendog translator here and still cannot make any sense of the above; we are probably better off for it.

    Translate this TD...

    "That's why I said to the Taliban in Afghanistan: Get rid of al Qaeda; see, you're harboring al Qaeda. Remember this is a place where they trained -- al Qaeda trained thousands of people in Afghanistan. And the Taliban, I guess, just didn't believe me. And as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence. And the people of Afghanistan are now free. (Applause.)"

    George W Bush
    September 27, 2004


    This was part of his great "Mission Accomplished" Speech..

    So TD looking at the situation in Afghanistan TODAY. Which do you think was the most prudent mission reguarding avenging the 9-11 attacks?
    Iraq-who had zero connections to the 9-11 attacks?
    or
    Afghanistan and the Paki border region and the Taliban - who had everything to do with the 9-11 attacks?
    Looking back do you think that it would have been a better use of our rescources to have stayed there and actually completing the mission one way or another?

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    it really has little to do with either Democrats or Republicans. the world does not work that way. underneath the rhetoric they are pretty much the same.
    The differences could not be vaster; unless of course you willingly suspend disbelief.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Obama is trying to hold to many things in the air at one time. trying to fix all that has gone wrong at one time makes a mess of the soup.
    No, Obama is clueless and is showing how little experience he truly brings to the job. In addition, he is also a very political animal and knows that if he doesn’t pass his poorly thought out partisan agenda while he has BIG majorities in the Congress, he will never get another chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Bush by not focusing on the capture of Bin Laden missed that and has you in two conflicts in areas on the globe that have been in conflict since the world took form.
    I am continually fascinated by this lie; the notion that Bush did not focus on capturing Bin laden cannot be supported by any facts and is more the realm of hyperbolic partisan BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    you are stuck and outside of just biting the bullet and pulling out you will be stuck in both places for years. Iraq is and always will be one day away from going right back to where they were. Afghanistan is where Empire goes to die.
    I cannot make sense of this comment; the notion that American is an empire is patently absurd.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i blame your Bush for getting into these things. i blame Obama who said he was against these conflicts from the3 beginning for not ending them. the US needs if they follow the original goal to create a police action to capture Bin Laden. they need to help Iraq rebuild their nation. the world needs to help Afghanistan to rebuild theirs.
    Of course you blame everyone except for the despots, tyrants, dictators and terrorists who are the cause of all our problems in the ME. I cannot say that I am surprised because blaming the US appears to be a simplistic and convenient place to wallow in factual and historic denial.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    the fighting by the coalition needs to stop and stop now. that is the only plan that makes sense. if the Iraqi insurgence finds work and pay they will stop attacks. if they are paid to lay brick and plaster walls and hang doors and are left to their faith and life they will stop.
    This is of course your own OPINION which lacks any factual basis or historic reference. The FACT is that any notions that if we just withdraw into a cocoon the world will be a better place is naďve, dangerous and would be disastrous.

    The good news here is that you don’t hold any office so your opinions are just that.


    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    the reason for the hatred of the west is that the west wants them to be like they are. these people have a totally different culture. they always have. why is it important to the west to have these folks be like you are?
    The above couldn’t be further from the truth.

    The reasons for the hatred of the West are purely due to ignorance. The only way that such ignorance can be perpetuated is by avoiding the truth and historic realities that breed such ignorance.

    The West is not attempting to make these cultures anything like they are; they are attempting to deny despots, dictators and terrorists the capability of causing destruction and harm to their citizens.

    I am constantly amazed how people like you, who can easily obtain the facts and historic truth, swallow the asinine terrorist propaganda with such aplomb.


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Translate this TD...

    "That's why I said to the Taliban in Afghanistan: Get rid of al Qaeda; see, you're harboring al Qaeda. Remember this is a place where they trained -- al Qaeda trained thousands of people in Afghanistan. And the Taliban, I guess, just didn't believe me. And as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence. And the people of Afghanistan are now free. (Applause.)"

    George W Bush
    September 27, 2004


    This was part of his great "Mission Accomplished" Speech..

    So TD looking at the situation in Afghanistan TODAY. Which do you think was the most prudent mission reguarding avenging the 9-11 attacks?
    Iraq-who had zero connections to the 9-11 attacks?
    or
    Afghanistan and the Paki border region and the Taliban - who had everything to do with the 9-11 attacks?
    Looking back do you think that it would have been a better use of our rescources to have stayed there and actually completing the mission one way or another?
    Good lord, are you really that dense? What part of the above speech has ANYTHING to do with Iraq?

    Here is what the JOINT RESOLUTION contained which were the LEGAL reasons we went into Iraq. Read and become informed rather than spew blatant nonsensical terrorist propaganda like a lemming:

    S. J. Res 45 Auhorizing Use of Armed Forces Against Iraq

    Carry on.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yes, the age old farcical notion that if we just kept to ourselves, the world would be a better place.

    But yet, in historical context it begs the question; how did that work for us in WWI? How about WWII?

    Carry on; your uniformed assertions about our role in history are about as informed as your opinions are about the economy.
    How did ****ing with people work out for us in Korea and Vietnam?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    I am continually fascinated by this lie; the notion that Bush did not focus on capturing Bin laden cannot be supported by any facts and is more the realm of hyperbolic partisan BS.

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    Translate this TD.......
    Think Progress Bush Tells Barnes Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’


    Bush Tells Barnes Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’
    Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes appeared on Fox this morning to discuss his recent meeting with President Bush in the Oval Office. The key takeaway for Barnes was that “bin Laden doesn’t fit with the administration’s strategy for combating terrorism.” Barnes said that Bush told him capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources.” Watch it.

    [flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2006/...a.320.240.flv]
    Bush’s priorities have always been skewed. Just months after declaring he wanted bin Laden “dead or alive,” Bush said, “I truly am not that concerned about him.” Turning his attention away from bin Laden, Bush trained his focus on Iraq — a country he now admits had “nothing” to do with 9/11.

    Capturing bin Laden, as Rep. Nancy Pelosi recently pointed out, will not necessarily make America safer because it would come five years too late. Yet, capturing or killing the man responsible for 9/11 should remain a high priority.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Bush wasn't focused on Bin Laden. Niether is Obama, you know the current president.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How did ****ing with people work out for us in Korea and Vietnam?
    Is there a point to your uninformed rant?

    In Korea, the Communists attempted to take over the South Korean nation. The UN prevented it and South Korea is a shining example of democratic prosperity.

    Here's a short history lesson for you so that you can be more informed which makes my point again:

    Nov 14, 1947 U.N. Resolution to remove troops from Korea after national elections.

    April 8, 1948 President Truman orders withdrawal of US troops from Korea

    June 29, 1949 Last US troops leave South Korea
    Korean Military Advisory Group (KMAG, 200 men) formed

    June 25 Korean time NK invades Republic of South Korea (ROK) without warning

    June 25 New York time
    UN Security Council demands NK stop its attack and return to its borders

    June 30 NK 3rd Division (NK-3) crosses Han River; NK drives down Peninsula

    June 30 President Truman commits US Troops to enforce UN demand


    Sound familiar yet?

    You want to talk about Vietnam? That war was contrived by DEMOCRATS and planned and fought in the White House. The only reason South Vietnam does not exist today which resulted in the deaths of millions of innocent people in SE Asia was because the intransigent Democrat Congress at the time felt it was more convenient to ignore an ally and go back on their word.

    How did that work out for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    CBS, my fault. I was thinking about Haditha.

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