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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I have to disagree with you and Sarge here, sir. The press, while annoying sometimes, has helped bring to light many leaders and soldiers who have commited war crimes and performed poorly.

    Abu Ghraib?
    Steven Green?
    Michael Steele?

    Plus much of the press has provided many, many good press releases about things we did over there. I had embedded press more than once and the stories that were published were always positive in nature and really good PR for the Army and my unit.




    Didnt the army notify the Red cross about Abu Gahrib and thats how the press got wind of it?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    we had different luck then....
    there were times when i was asked not to release a film. i gave the military personal the form and the footage numbers and never once failed to attach the paper work to the dvd's and tapes. i have no idea what happened after that. i did not make those decisions. i am sure more often than not the request was honored.

    i know one time in Baghdad the film had to do with some civilians who were killed. the Military asked the film held until they were able to investigate what had occurred. it was later discovered that it was not a coalition bomb that killed those people. the story was brought forward with truth.

    again the coalition should not have been there. had that been the case that bomb may have never been made or even used.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    again the coalition should not have been there. had that been the case that bomb may have never been made or even used.
    And there would still be rape rooms, people being fed into wood chippers, children of political opponents being imprisoned, etc., etc.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yeah this time around it seems more honest too me... I could tell you some stories about what happened and what was reported the last time around.
    Gulf 1 was a case of journalists running all over the place. Gulf 2 has been more controlled.

    being freelance the group i worked with went where we wanted at our own risk in several places. we were getting into trouble on both sides. we at times were not protected as we went into some bad areas without permission or protection. that is the nature of the story. you follow it to a conclusion.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I hope he withdraws, he has neither the backbone or he leadership skills to prosecute a war.
    maybe he just doesn't have the taste for blood like some i know.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Where do you come down on the White House's battle with Fox News? Just curious.
    i see FOX as biased but all news is. first the journalist. then the editor. then the director. and so on to the top. freedom of the press is what makes nations free. it keeps the people informed. i never see a reason to censor the press. the White House is wrong.

    to put tape over the mouth of a journalist is to hide one side of the story. there are two sides to all story's.

    when a President or any leader tries to stop free press no matter how biased they think it is, it does not bode well for a nation.

    Bush no matter how bad things got for him did not do this. i have to give him credit. the news at the time was getting on his back pretty hard and he was okay.

    Fox no matter what anyone thinks of it is a news agency and has the right to tell a story as long as it is true or believed to be true.

    No one should be allowed to silence the press.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    no, we used other tools to confer on the reporter they weren't welcome.
    yes i was spit on. i was pushed away. i was yelled at. i even got kicked and had a camera broken. i was even mooned once.

    i was not always where i should have been. i was off limits many times. i never complained. they were doing their job to try and keep me out of harms way. many other things happened.

    one event was when i had strayed into a location where i was not supposed to be and the area was shelled. a Georgian Soldier knocked me down the stairs and destroyed my camera and some great footage. but he did save my life.

    in another case a US troop told me that if i continued where i was going i would more than likely be the next casualty. i listened and not 5 minutes later the streets were turned to smoke and rubble. the military did what they could to protect us. i think at times it was with gritted teeth.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    did you do it formally?


    Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship
    yes when i turned in my passport and told the US i was French it was considered a formal renunciation. i was no longer being identified as an American citizen. this was done in Chicago. i had to say the words to end my affiliation.

    to enter the US now i need a Passport and enter as a visitor. i actually had to get an extension when Del passed away.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Yet, atrocities would still have occurred. You would still have two people subjugated: the Shia and the Kurds. Freedom is bloody. The history of the US is testament to that. The Iraqis had already tried and failed to remove the yoke of Saddam and even if they had succeeded, the result may have been another dictatorship. We imposed our will and led them to a real democracy. That must count for something with you, doesn't it?
    i know the region and i was in Iraq prior to the invasion. Saddam was a tyrant and a petty thug. i have stated that he needed to be out of power.

    i am still against the US invasion of the nation with other coalition forces. the US has changed leaders many times in other nations and it has always gone badly. the killing of 10o's of thousands of people does not make sense to me. killing to end killing is an odd step forward.death is death. which is more wrong.
    are you less dead if a Coalition troop kills you?
    are you more dead if Saddam kills you?

    the coalition had no reason to be in the country and therefore the people were raped of their power to change their nation as they saw fit.

    just say this. if the entire world hated George Bush so much that the thought that he should be removed. and every nation in the world stopped trade with the US. then all on the same day the armies of the entire world tossed everything they had at the US to get rid of Bush. (i know you are going to say the US would have kicked ass) but say this had happened and the Swede's marched into the White House and executed Bush. you would be pretty upset.

    what right did the US and others have to do it to someone else?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This story has some anecdotal stories here, but it follows the same thing I and many other veterans have been saying about Obama's fiddling while Afghanistan burns.... Troop moral is suffering, and I hate to read stories like this. Obama needs to make a decision now.
    Obama is incapable of making quick decisions and certainly not capable of making tough decisions that could cost him politically. Everything this Administration will be stifled by the "political" assessments first and foremost.

    It is typical with Democrat leadership and something once again so painfully and obviously on display.

    Remember the Kerry rant; "I was for the war before I was against it." It pretty much sums up the dimwitted mentality of Democrat politicians.

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