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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    yes Russia had far more reason
    What was Russia's good reason for invading Georgia?

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    Try not to forget they were led by a lie.
    i do realize this. Congress was as well. that is why i hold them less responsible then the Executive branch.

    the troops who were already enlisted at the time of the first strike could be excused for their actions as they were following the lie. those that reenlisted or came once the truth was revealed i have no respect for. they should of at that point said well George have a nice war. many you can get your oil buddies to help you out with this one.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i do realize this. Congress was as well. that is why i hold them less responsible then the Executive branch.

    the troops who were already enlisted at the time of the first strike could be excused for their actions as they were following the lie. those that reenlisted or came once the truth was revealed i have no respect for. they should of at that point said well George have a nice war. many you can get your oil buddies to help you out with this one.
    So in Hitler's army which was lead by: fear tactics against his soldiers to coherce them into the force, the abduction of young boys in order to brainwash them into fighting and the use of lies and dire cohersion that is the equivalent of torture to get them to "see things his way" as well as lying and convincing them that "Jews are the scourge of the earth" ... all these things he used with the troops he commanded - none of that is remotely understandable or excusable in your view (from what i understand), And in your view his minions were all inherently evil regardless of their own plights.

    However, having already been in the service (as you said about the US soldiers in your quoted post) prior to a (or "the") lie is presented by the leader makes subsequent actions of following commands acceptable?
    Yet - if someone becomes aware of the lie after it's made public then their 'following commands' is unacceptable?
    (I'm just making sure I understand this part). . .

    So - does this apply to Hitler's army, as well? Those who joined before Hitler was their commander are excused and those who joined after are not?

    Your belief has holes in it - though knowing what I know about your view, they're understandable to a degree but you can't overlook the differences between how different horrid events via military have been conducted.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Not to pick on you, Katie, because I like you
    But you vex me most deeply.

    In a thread on religion you suggested that religious people are unstable and/or their religious beliefs are unacceptable and illogical - at the least...(I could go quote fishing but I don't think it's necessary).

    Yet your ideas against the military are based on a tyrants actions that were expressly anti-religious as well. He, too believed that their religious beliefs were the root of all inherent evils in the world and blamed them for almost everything bad that happened (as far as his little eyes could see).

    So how do your anti-religious views differ than his anti-religious views?

    And, in this light, how can a non-religious war be compared to one that's waged purely against a religion (or a people)?
    i have used Hitler's Nazi Germany as an example to show how the people that have been posting opposing views will support the Us in the same type of actions as a global arch enemy.

    what i am comparing is the attitudes. it was wrong when the Nazi's followed orders that caused the Holocaust. it is not wrong when the US troops follow orders to Invade Iraq or to waterboard.

    why do people not see that these things are the same. Nazi's invaded Poland with no cause. a bad thing

    the Us invades Iraq on a pack of lies with no cause but this is just fine with Americans. that is a double standard.

    i am not in any way supporting Hitler's actions. i am drawing a parallel between the actions of Hitler and Bush. the troops in both cases should have refused to follow the leaders.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What was Russia's good reason for invading Georgia?
    i did not say good reason now did i.

    i said they had more reason. it was because of the border problems that were happening. Iraq was not in any way attacking Florida or New York or Maine.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So in Hitler's army which was lead by: fear tactics against his soldiers to coherce them into the force, the abduction of young boys in order to brainwash them into fighting and the use of lies and dire cohersion that is the equivalent of torture to get them to "see things his way" as well as lying and convincing them that "Jews are the scourge of the earth" ... all these things he used with the troops he commanded - none of that is remotely understandable or excusable in your view (from what i understand), And in your view his minions were all inherently evil regardless of their own plights.

    However, having already been in the service (as you said about the US soldiers in your quoted post) prior to a (or "the") lie is presented by the leader makes subsequent actions of following commands acceptable?
    Yet - if someone becomes aware of the lie after it's made public then their 'following commands' is unacceptable?
    (I'm just making sure I understand this part). . .

    So - does this apply to Hitler's army, as well? Those who joined before Hitler was their commander are excused and those who joined after are not?

    Your belief has holes in it - though knowing what I know about your view, they're understandable to a degree but you can't overlook the differences between how different horrid events via military have been conducted.

    All countries and armies are not created equal.
    no it does not make all actions after the fact acceptable. when the truth was revealed in both cases it was time for the troops to say enough. the first ones in both cases before the truth was exposed at least thought they were doing something correct.

    it let's them off the hook for the early stages in both cases.

    Mind you i never support a war or conflict in the case of Iraq. i never in mind see just cause to do either. i can see the troops point that they thought they were doing the right thing. once they knew the truth (if it were me) i would have told them i would no longer fight. in Germany in WWII that action would have cost me my life. in the US i would probably be in jail. i would rather the consequences for doing the right thing than the mental suffering of having done all that killing for an unjust cause.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i have used Hitler's Nazi Germany as an example to show how the people that have been posting opposing views will support the Us in the same type of actions as a global arch enemy.

    what i am comparing is the attitudes. it was wrong when the Nazi's followed orders that caused the Holocaust. it is not wrong when the US troops follow orders to Invade Iraq or to waterboard.

    why do people not see that these things are the same. Nazi's invaded Poland with no cause. a bad thing

    the Us invades Iraq on a pack of lies with no cause but this is just fine with Americans. that is a double standard.

    i am not in any way supporting Hitler's actions. i am drawing a parallel between the actions of Hitler and Bush. the troops in both cases should have refused to follow the leaders.
    To the bolded - this is an excellent example of what happens when the wrong orders are given and followed mindlessly!

    I, absolutely, hate such torture tactics and feel that, of course, they have no place in any nation's military or police force, etc, and in these cases I feel that the individuals should be tried, as well as the leaders who give such orders and so forth.

    Yet, at the same time, I still believe the overall police-nature of the military pertaining to the country as a whole functions properly, is necessary and so forth.

    While I love to debate with you further I have to get to bed!
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    To the bolded - this is an excellent example of what happens when the wrong orders are given and followed mindlessly!

    I, absolutely, hate such torture tactics and feel that, of course, they have no place in any nation's military or police force, etc, and in these cases I feel that the individuals should be tried, as well as the leaders who give such orders and so forth.

    Yet, at the same time, I still believe the overall police-nature of the military pertaining to the country as a whole functions properly, is necessary and so forth.

    While I love to debate with you further I have to get to bed!
    nite nite

    to make a point about military as someone did in one of the numerous posts. the military used as homeland defense is one thing. i do not support military at all but see that there is a validreason why a country would want to protect it's shore. i see this because i realize that the entire world would not play by my rules.

    what alarms me is that a President holding the reigns of the massive military power of the US can get away with such an action and the people of your nation have no recourse. there will be no punishment for him or the military leaders that supported his lies.

    it is sad that your nation has fallen so far from glory to begin assaulting nations that in no way can hurt you. the revenge reason or oil are just not good reasons for all the death. they just are not. defending ones homeland is one thing. this was totally another.

    in Afghanistan though i detest the policy of the Taliban we had no cause to attack the entire nation. this was a police action that should have been aimed at the specific target Bin Laden. again your military followed orders that were so far and away unnecessary it was wrong.

    following wrong orders is never the right thing to do and can in my mind never be justified.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i do realize this. Congress was as well. that is why i hold them less responsible then the Executive branch.

    the troops who were already enlisted at the time of the first strike could be excused for their actions as they were following the lie. those that reenlisted or came once the truth was revealed i have no respect for. they should of at that point said well George have a nice war. many you can get your oil buddies to help you out with this one.
    What unit did you serve in? Because, this is one of those occasions, that if you were there, you have no place to judge them. Did you serve in Iraq? If you didn't, you're talking out of your ass.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What unit did you serve in? Because, this is one of those occasions, that if you were there, you have no place to judge them. Did you serve in Iraq? If you didn't, you're talking out of your ass.
    i served with Reuters, BBC, London, Independent Press out of France and UPI.

    i did film and photo journalism. you may have seen some of my work. now what unit is it that you were with. maybe you saw me. i was the skinny dyke with the cameras.

    i don't fight in wars i film them so people can see the hate

    once one knows the truth how do they continue. the Nazi's did the same damn thing and we all know what a mess that was.
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