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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by American first View Post
    Almost everything we did prior to 1989 was with the Soviet Union in mind.
    this is true. the problem is when you are not thinking clearly you make a lot of mistakes and the US did just that.

    i was still living there during that time.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i am going to take the bolded part. is it not up to the nation to do something to change the nation. democracy is not a gift. it is never appreciated unless it is earned. the forefathers of your nation knew that. they farther time takes you away from said independence and the formulation of your nation the less people appreciate what you have.

    you can not hand out democracy and freedom. it needs to be earned.
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    the nation needs to be ready to make an overthrow. we were the overthrow. that does not a revolution make. they are all set up now for the next tyrant that takes the controls.
    Why do you seem convinced that a nation must achieve democracy through revolution? Germany and Japan are fine examples of the introduction of democracy after WW2.

    For sure the Iraqis appreciate the cost of building a democracy. They have earned it. The blood of all of those innocents tell the story and they will not be forgotten.

    It is up to the Iraqis to prevent the next tyrant from grabbing the controls. We will be there decades to help them, just like Germany and Japan to this day.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    it is not your place to spread anything in a sovereign nation. it is up to the US to mind it's own business in my eyes. you may think otherwise. your country has problems of it's own. why are you worried about someone else. you also screwed up your attempt to capture Bin Laden by dividing your forces and fighting in two places. had you kept the manpower in one local maybe you would have accomplished your goal. it was Bin Laden as i recall.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Is it wrong to spread reproductive health info a la Planned Parenthood centers around the world?
    you were saying spread democracy into other nations. it would be wrong to spread reproductive health unless asked for yes. it is wrong to spread your type of governance system to other nations by force.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    Why do you seem convinced that a nation must achieve democracy through revolution? Germany and Japan are fine examples of the introduction of democracy after WW2.

    For sure the Iraqis appreciate the cost of building a democracy. They have earned it. The blood of all of those innocents tell the story and they will not be forgotten.

    It is up to the Iraqis to prevent the next tyrant from grabbing the controls. We will be there decades to help them, just like Germany and Japan to this day.
    i'm not convinced of that. i never said that. i am convinced that the people of a nation have to be part of that movement to oust the leaders. in Iraq the US ousted the leaders and helped select the replacements.

    ask the families about the blood of the innocents. they will tell you differently.

    yes it is up to the Iraqi's to hold onto what they have if that is what they choose to do. if not be prepared to stay 100 years to maintain the peace. it might be easier to make them a state.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by American first View Post
    It always amazes me that we have done more good in this world than any other country in history & yet so many Americans seem to hate their own country.



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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i have in fact talked about your quote several times. what do you want me to say about it?
    You have done no such thing.


    i do not excuse Bin Laden i would like to see where i said that. please show me?


    You said something to the effect about how we should listend to what Bin Laden wants.


    I responded by saying in his letter to america, among other things we have to come to Islam.


    you moved on without answering.


    i make fun of a huge military that can't find him.


    Which demonstrates a profound ignorance of real life.


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    i did not again ignore your quote. i didn't think you required a dissertation on said quote. [/quote]


    Yes you did, you ignored it, because you know its true. Pacifism without strenght (you) is nothing more than a lamb ready for the slaughter....



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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    it is not your place to spread anything in a sovereign nation. it is up to the US to mind it's own business in my eyes. you may think otherwise. your country has problems of it's own. why are you worried about someone else. you also screwed up your attempt to capture Bin Laden by dividing your forces and fighting in two places. had you kept the manpower in one local maybe you would have accomplished your goal. it was Bin Laden as i recall.





    Lets look at reality.... A man is killing and raping the women of a village...



    Your pacifism gives that woman consolation, a bottle of water, and empathy every time it happens....



    The Good Reverend's kind of pacifism puts a bullet in the head of said man...


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i'm not convinced of that. i never said that. i am convinced that the people of a nation have to be part of that movement to oust the leaders. in Iraq the US ousted the leaders and helped select the replacements.

    ask the families about the blood of the innocents. they will tell you differently.

    yes it is up to the Iraqi's to hold onto what they have if that is what they choose to do. if not be prepared to stay 100 years to maintain the peace. it might be easier to make them a state.
    Ok, so it is ok to invade a sovereign nation, run by a dictator of one flavor or another who treats his people poorly, in order to introduce democracy, as long as the people participate in creating that democracy. That works for me.

    In Iraq, this requirement has been met. The people wholeheartedly participated and continue to participate in the life of the democracy. How many different publications are there in Iraq of one political straw or another?

    In Afghanistan, not so much participation.

    In Iraq, I expect the families of those who have lost their lives are deeply saddened and pissed off at the situation. Many probably say they wish we hadn't come there to create such chaos. Underneath, many are glad we came but want the killing to stop.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This story has some anecdotal stories here, but it follows the same thing I and many other veterans have been saying about Obama's fiddling while Afghanistan burns.... Troop moral is suffering, and I hate to read stories like this. Obama needs to make a decision now.
    If justifying troop casualties with continued escalation was the deciding factor in conflict, wars would never end. The military will never ask for a reduction of force, it is not their nature.
    We are in a difficult quandry in Afghanistan, how to insure AlQaeda does not expand, yet not get involved in running a chronically anarchic country. Staying just to honor the soldiers who died there is foolish. Obama's way forward in Afghanistan is more complicated than a simple decision, it involves turning the ship of state, which is much more complicated than just changing your mind.
    Last edited by WillRockwell; 10-28-09 at 09:55 AM.

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