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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    War is not the only purpose or function of the military. Surely in your desire to understand and judge others in history you know that.

    I wish I could puff on your dream-pipe of living in a threatless world, but I know better. We are far from such a paradise but, of course, it would be nice.

    And, further, you don't have to be a formed military force in order to fight, overthrow or usurp.

    So, what you're really wanting is for everyone to be peaceful and complacent and not hold against eachother - while at the same time you suggest that those who come around you with religious advocacy should be thrown in jail.

    If the world was up to you you'd be the only one in it, it seems.

    Also, there's far more to Hitler's power than having an army at his command - far more involved. Read up, learn, and discover. One way or another, through science, literature, art and disillusion - without a war he still would have done such things.
    i spent 10 weeks 2 years ago working with the Holocaust Museum filming interviews of survivors. we also filmed the remains of the death camps and holding camps. we studied the survivors and there stories. i know about war. i know the violence of war.

    he was trying to send them out of Germany. the fees for immigration became so high that this practice stopped. it was the nations that raised the fees that pressed the Final Solution. if you read the original papers that were found from the meeting of Wannsee you will see that Reinhard Heydrich states this in that document. it was the senseless raising of immigration fees that brought about the death camps to full capacity. Rudolf Lange insists that something needed to be done with all the Jews. this was the Nazi response to the worlds end of Jewish immigration. fine job the world did by trying to force Hitler's hand.

    my problems with religion also fit into this debate as well. such peaceful believers standing up for war. i see them as all hypocrites that have no idea what their faith is about. all they want to do is spread it like some cancer.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is there debate on the first invasion? We did the right thing then, including not toppling Saddam. Done and over, the second invasion which we are still in is in contention for sure. I mean, do we add up how many civilians there are dead because of our invasion and occupation of the land? Not to mention our own side. I'm not a complete pacifist, as I understand there are times for action and it must be taken. But at the same accord, I'm not in favor for throwing my troops and military at a problem which isn't ours. If the Iraqi people wanted freedom, they could have fought for it themselves.



    a night at a bar with the Good Reverend, and I could tell you a story about UN corruption and the war THEY caused in 2001.......
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Really? I didn't refuse to go to war by choosing not to sign up for the military?



    No I just found you comparing yourselves to those who served rather audacious to say the least.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    no pretty much true the great Reverend is as phony as his positions. they are like cloth blowing in the wind. they simply collect dust.

    Pseudo bhuddist intellectualism is vapid when you have nothing to back it up....


    as the positions you support are opposed to each other you have no positions they are moot. you don't even know what side of the fence on which you stand. LOL so yeah you are pretty laughable.



    Nonsense. I demonstrated through takamura's quote my stance succinctly... Your failure to demonstrate courage is your failure, not the greatness that is the good reverend!
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you "pacifist" will sit by while people suffer, YOu "pacifist" willsit by while people are killed, You "pacifist" will sit by while women are raped, You "pacifist" will sit by and let the wolves of this world pray on the sheep, and sit thier in ingorant bliss preaching "If I just show them peace, how could they refuse!".... It's a fools erand....


    Like the takamura quote you ignored because it hits you to your very core... You can not be weak, and a pacifist.... That simply makes you a statistic to the tyrant, to the wolf.....


    It's imo, the most abysmall and abhorrent state of being for those not a sociopath.... It is cowardice, and it is the claim of pacisfism that the coward clings to, that does a mass injustice to those of use who are true pacifists.....




    "you don't like", The fact that you choose to be the weak, means your are insignificant, There is nothing you say that matters, because the wolf when he comes knocking does not consider the desires of the sheep....
    you need help with reading comprehension. i said i work with the injured and displaced in Iraq and other places. i do my part. i do work with women in countries where they have no freedom. i cannot do everything. when military's create death and destruction as they do there are not enough people or resources to take care of it all.

    you do not know me or can judge as you so like in your Christian way like to do. to know whether i am weak or not. i see you have been by one of your statements to the 1st Gulf conflict. is that the only one you have played in. if so than you may be the weak Willie among us.

    no i choose to be as i am because i respect life far more than you do my extremely hypocritical friend. when you figure out what you stand for or against maybe you can unravel the mystery for us so that we can really debate the real person. are you perhaps schizophrenic and suffer from a dual personality or something. it gets confusing as to who i am debating with you. in one thread you are a god freak in the next thread all you can do is chant war and berate a pacifist. you need help if i were you i would seek someone fast because you may hurt yourself while typing from one side than the other.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    "inept"......



    Bin laden's text to America says we need to come to islam for him to stop attacking us....


    I find it odd a "pacifist" such as yourself, would excuse bin laden's violence for understanding, and attack the peacemakers that are the American troops...
    i think your military needs to get some compass on this guy. he is making an ass of all of you and i am sitting here laughing at the entire game. oh by the way you guys are losing.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i spent 10 weeks 2 years ago working with the Holocaust Museum filming interviews of survivors. we also filmed the remains of the death camps and holding camps. we studied the survivors and there stories. i know about war. i know the violence of war.

    he was trying to send them out of Germany. the fees for immigration became so high that this practice stopped. it was the nations that raised the fees that pressed the Final Solution. if you read the original papers that were found from the meeting of Wannsee you will see that Reinhard Heydrich states this in that document. it was the senseless raising of immigration fees that brought about the death camps to full capacity. Rudolf Lange insists that something needed to be done with all the Jews. this was the Nazi response to the worlds end of Jewish immigration. fine job the world did by trying to force Hitler's hand.

    my problems with religion also fit into this debate as well. such peaceful believers standing up for war. i see them as all hypocrites that have no idea what their faith is about. all they want to do is spread it like some cancer.
    But your looking at it just 1/2 way.
    You're looking at the bad side of what happens when a tyrannical dictator uses violence and coersion to force their soldiers to do something inhumane.

    So - on one hand we have Hitler and his insane glory being an ass, to put it lightly. He abused his powers and guided his military into combat to support what he considered right and what we (you me and most people in the world) consider wrong.
    So when one lunatic does things like that via his military then, naturally, the only force that can combat it is another military.

    So, when a military is used as a grotesque force then it is bad, we agree on this.
    When a military is used as opposition to that bad force then they are doing good.

    Nothing is perfect, we all agree on this, too.
    And human nature isn't containable, we all agree on this too.

    So - sometimes power is abused and when it is, especially when it's guided by such grotesque forces such as Hitler, then another force as to oppose and overthrow it.

    As happened in WWII.

    So you're judging our military actions to be as evil as those of Hitler.
    While I, in a million years, could never consider that to be a true comparison, I understand more of why you have this view and it makes a bit more sense in your current situation.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    a night at a bar with the Good Reverend, and I could tell you a story about UN corruption and the war THEY caused in 2001.......
    but first you would have to decide which one of the good Reverends is speaking there are more than one.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    you need help with reading comprehension. i said i work with the injured and displaced in Iraq and other places. i do my part. i do work with women in countries where they have no freedom. i cannot do everything. when military's create death and destruction as they do there are not enough people or resources to take care of it all.

    were you helping the victims of husseins iraq before the war or did your concern only arise when those evil americans came in and broke up that wonderful peaceful country?



    you do not know me or can judge as you so like in your Christian way like to do. to know whether i am weak or not. i see you have been by one of your statements to the 1st Gulf conflict. is that the only one you have played in. if so than you may be the weak Willie among us.

    nope, I also have been to the balkans, where I watched un troops set up child brothels for thier entertainment, how would a "pacifist" like you have handled that? offer "counseling" to the parade of victims? who when found out sough counceling were never heard from again.


    pathetic.....


    you shouldn't assume about my faith, you no nothing more than I told you....




    no i choose to be as i am because i respect life far more than you do my extremely hypocritical friend. when you figure out what you stand for or against maybe you can unravel the mystery for us so that we can really debate the real person. are you perhaps schizophrenic and suffer from a dual personality or something. it gets confusing as to who i am debating with you. in one thread you are a god freak in the next thread all you can do is chant war and berate a pacifist. you need help if i were you i would seek someone fast because you may hurt yourself while typing from one side than the other.


    no you don't you don't respect nothing but your "ideals" to which does nothing but provide a pillow for the victims of tyrants to rest on before you send them back and pat your priveledge self on the back... fake pacifists are part of the problem, you are sheep, ready to be culled by the wolf.


    You are only able to what you think is "help", because rough men are ready to do violence for things that are right. I pity you and your terrorist excusing appeasment.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Pseudo bhuddist intellectualism is vapid when you have nothing to back it up....







    Nonsense. I demonstrated through takamura's quote my stance succinctly... Your failure to demonstrate courage is your failure, not the greatness that is the good reverend!
    you are so right. you don't have anything to back up your delusions. thanks for the admission.

    the good Reverend is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors that is so confused i am surprised you even know what to call yourself.
    The flame that is between us could set every soul on fire. I would love to take that heat and let's fill the whole world with desire.
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