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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Coon County View Post
    Any numbers on the civilian deaths caused by Iraq's scorched earth policy when they pulled out?.....
    The Kuwaiti government claims that about 7,000 people were murdered and another 25,000 arrested and most of those tortured. There are around 600 Kuwaiti nationals who were taken back to Iraq and are still un-accounted for.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Kuwaiti government claims that about 7,000 people were murdered and another 25,000 arrested and most of those tortured. There are around 600 Kuwaiti nationals who were taken back to Iraq and are still un-accounted for.
    Gee, I wonder what caused those soldiers not to disagree with command & save those poor people....

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it doesn't matter what we think about those wars, those soldiers took an oath to fight those wars. yes, innocents died, and continue to die. but any anger you might have shouldn't be directed at them.

    soldiers don't get to decide which orders they'll follow. as it should be.
    it just astounds me as to how Americans can judge harshly the actions of other military's for doing the same thing their military does does.

    i.e.

    Russia Georgia and invasion

    The Nazi soldiers for following orders to do the heinous things they did.

    Russia Afghanistan invasion

    Iraq Kuwait and invasion.

    you all call these actions wrong.

    why is it right when your military does the same thing.

    i.e

    US Iraq an invasion
    US Afghanistan an invasion

    following orders to do these military actions.

    maybe you people should use just a modicum of thought before you defend the awful things you support your military doing.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The United States is the only country that has "patriotism" as a value or property of importance.

    However - every country as an army.
    it s a poor value and you are wrong most nations are flag wavers as well.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think she is naive and believes we all can just "choose peace" as if the other guy will as well.
    have you ever thought that the other guy might if he believed that you would. your idea of peace is kill as many of the others as you can before they attack you. not a very good idea.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the leaders don't bear the brunt, the soldiers do.
    this is true. it is easy to send someone who thinks they are doing the right thing off to die. it is not so easy for the leaders to send themselves.

    it is like martyrdom it is easy to tell others it is great. if it is so great why aren't the leaders doing it themselves?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    have you ever thought that the other guy might if he believed that you would. your idea of peace is kill as many of the others as you can before they attack you. not a very good idea.



    You didnt read my post. See the takamura quote. That is my philosophy as a true pacifist.




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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    the leaders are more wrong. if they didn't have over zealous forces to send it could not happen now could it?
    You cannot "opt" for which efforts you support and which ones you don't.
    If you're "out" you are officially "out."

    So - if everyone, like you suggests, leaves the military because they don't support one act over another then that would mean that we have no one to fight in any circumstance.

    If we didn't have a solid military then we would be vulnerable and easy targets. Enough groups, organizations and factions - not to mention whole countries - in the world spite us so much that any gap in our military would quickly be taken advantage of and that could easily net in an attack on us, in our country, on our soil.

    Get your head out of the clouds and realize that the war in the Middle East is not the only military situation we're involved in. It seems to be the only one you're aware of but their are countless other situations gong on worldwide and quite a many are not vast, deep military excursions but necessary functions with a solid and honest purpose.

    Pick what you want - to be open to attack and subjugation or safety.

    Now - if you want to be without a solid military of support and protection then, fine, but fortunately our government actually cares about US and wants to keep us quite intact and unharmed.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Seriously? so we are only worried about today? Screw the ones who are there 1 year 5 months later cause Obama fiddled for 6 months?


    Come on man....
    Of course we are worried about the future. I'm just trying to grasp the how the plans of the future, or lack there of, are a cause of deaths today.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You are indeed, and I am not trying to be insulting, a fake pacifist. You lack a cohesive reality to practice your pacifism...

    Pacifism from a position of weakness is nothing....


    I am out but I leave you with a quote demonstrating what actual pacifism is.





    A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence. He chooses peace. He must be able to make a choice. He must have the genuine ability to destroy his enemy and then choose not to. I have heard this excuse made. I choose to be a pacifist before learning techniques so I do not need to learn the power of destruction. This shows no comprehension of the mind of the true warrior. This is just a rationalization to cover the fear of injury or hard training. The true warrior who chooses to be a pacifist is willing to stand and die for his principles. People claiming to be pacifists who rationalize to avoid hard training or injury will flee instead of standing and dying for principle. They are just cowards. Only a warrior who has tempered his spirit in conflict and who has confronted himself and his greatest fears can in my opinion make the choice to be a true pacifist. -takamura




    Simply stating "just don't fight only "fools" do it", is cowardice, not pacifism
    there is no such animal as a pacifist walking in strength. if you have a weapon you will use it. it is not at all fake. with your views on war and killing i would say that your Christian faith comes into question. this is just another page in the bible that you turn quickly by. i am so glad that your god lets you pick and choose what you want to believe of his/her/it word. it must help you sleep at night with the blood on your hands from the death you support. when supporting these wars do you do it in fact in the name of your god??????? don't call my stance a fake. yours has holes as large as all outdoors. i hear the phony coming to mind. maybe all you do is like to argue. your points oppose each other. you need to pick a few that fit and stick to them.

    god
    killing
    war support
    wow
    and judgment on top of that

    can you even make a coherent sentence out of what you profess as beliefs you have?
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