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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, when Mexican companies kick their drill pipe off a couple miles north of the Rio Grande, we should invade them? Rape, pillage and burn?
    It wasn't an excuse of invasion. It's highlighting that Iraq didn't just invade Kuwait for the fun of it. They had reasonable problem with Kuwait invading their sovereignty. They handled it poorly, partly because the US ambassador of the time told Saddam the US wouldn't have an opinion on Iraq invading Kuwait.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Or it just needed a bigger hammer in us as an allie.
    One way or another, I think we need to be able to rationally and logically look at situations without trying to call up appeal to emotion. Especially as to how it relates to our military and the risk we expose our troops to. The military is willing to throw down significant sacrifice and I don't think we should take that for granted. I will call upon their sacrifice when the sovereignty of the United States is attacked. Other countries I say have to watch out for themselves. I mean, ok there's treaty and such and if all out war breaks out, maybe we can't sit on the sidelines. But in general, the course and government of a country is up to the people of that country to decide.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh, certainly you do - because, surely, if someone doesn't think the same way you do they're insane That's logical, oh sure.

    Logical in the same way that everyone whines about what the police officers do until they find theirselves in a pickle and much in need of their protection.

    Fortunately people like you are the minority, rightly so, becuase most balanced people understand that there's always a give and a take to every situation.
    there is never a good reason to invade a nation. sorry invasion is wrong. the US was not under threat from Afghanistan or Iraq. it was a gorop of people inside of a nation. why did Saudi Arabia that had most of the people on the planes for 9/11 avoided your swords? you want to explain that?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So, naturally, you consider the soldiers to be at fault but you think that the leaders aren't in the wrong?

    You're directing your distaste towards the wrong people - it's the leaders that bare the brunt and call the shots, they're the ones to be held accountable.
    the leaders are more wrong. if they didn't have over zealous forces to send it could not happen now could it?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It wasn't an excuse of invasion. It's highlighting that Iraq didn't just invade Kuwait for the fun of it. They had reasonable problem with Kuwait invading their sovereignty. They handled it poorly, partly because the US ambassador of the time told Saddam the US wouldn't have an opinion on Iraq invading Kuwait.
    They had a purdy good time while they were in Kuwait, so it would be hard to believe they didn't do it for the fun of it.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    the leaders are more wrong. if they didn't have over zealous forces to send it could not happen now could it?
    And, if we didn't over zealous forces to fight the enemy when they land forces on Daytona Beach, our country will be conquered by a hostile power.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    there is never a good reason to invade a nation. sorry invasion is wrong. the US was not under threat from Afghanistan or Iraq. it was a gorop of people inside of a nation. why did Saudi Arabia that had most of the people on the planes for 9/11 avoided your swords? you want to explain that?
    I'm not standing up for their (the leader's, president, Congress, etc etc) actions and decisions - I find fault in a lot of them just as you. I feel they did do enough, didn't go deep enough.

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They had a purdy good time while they were in Kuwait, so it would be hard to believe they didn't do it for the fun of it.
    Any numbers on the civilian deaths caused by Iraq's scorched earth policy when they pulled out?.....

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    there is never a good reason to invade a nation. sorry invasion is wrong. the US was not under threat from Afghanistan or Iraq. it was a gorop of people inside of a nation. why did Saudi Arabia that had most of the people on the planes for 9/11 avoided your swords? you want to explain that?
    Was al Qaeda based in Saudi Arabia, receiving funds and safe haven from Saudi Arabia?

    Was the Taliban ruling Saudi Arabia, providing funds and safe haven to al Qaeda?

    I have a scenario for you: 19 Americans go to Brazil, train for and plan a terrorist operation, with the santion of the Brazilian government, then attack London. Who should the British go after?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    there is never a good reason to invade a nation. sorry invasion is wrong. the US was not under threat from Afghanistan or Iraq. it was a gorop of people inside of a nation. why did Saudi Arabia that had most of the people on the planes for 9/11 avoided your swords? you want to explain that?
    Don't be fooled, Afghanistan was and remains a hotbed for anti-US planning and had we not invaded the chances are that we'd have been attacked again as we were on 9/11.

    The Saudi government wasn't complicit in the attacks.

    It pains me to be the first to bring this to your attention.

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