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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i do respect your beliefs. i think the act was foolish. i think that any time any person signs up for the military the make the statement that battle and war will continue. it is what they think is patriotic. i question the nature of patriotism. if it comes to killing over a policy that is not patriotism it is foolish.

    it is hard to separate the act of what one does for what he believes. if you believe that the battle was right your are entitled to that. i respect that. the fact that i think the entire mission was foolish is not reflective on that particular soldier.
    The United States is the only country that has "patriotism" as a value or property of importance.

    However - every country as an army.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it doesn't matter what we think about those wars, those soldiers took an oath to fight those wars. yes, innocents died, and continue to die. but any anger you might have shouldn't be directed at them.

    soldiers don't get to decide which orders they'll follow. as it should be.



    I think she is naive and believes we all can just "choose peace" as if the other guy will as well.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So, naturally, you consider the soldiers to be at fault but you think that the leaders aren't in the wrong?

    You're directing your distaste towards the wrong people - it's the leaders that bare the brunt and call the shots, they're the ones to be held accountable.
    the leaders don't bear the brunt, the soldiers do.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Coon County View Post
    Yer killing me here....
    The last thing WW II was about was Jews...
    FYI, the Russians lost 3x the number of holocaust victims....
    I'll defer to the previous posters to correct you in the rest of your convoluted thinking....
    Carry on!.....
    i made a post to a very specific response. if you would like to test your knowledge of WWII make a thread and i would be more than happy to debate you. until then ....
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Didn't question enough?


    Seriously, who the hell are you to make this judgment on me...


    Fake pacifists irk me.... As a pacifist, I find your attitude most regrettable in this real world.
    not fake. blind patriotism is what makes no sense to me. it seems the military has this in abundance.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I don't know, Iraq's impiralism into kuwait did threaten the entire region and our allies...
    were you threatened by Iraq when your military invaded that sovereign nation.

    YOU INVADED IRAQ not under threat of attack. is that an order a person of integrity would have followed???????
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think she is naive and believes we all can just "choose peace" as if the other guy will as well.
    well, i can't speak for her, but i think maybe it's idealism rather than naivete.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    not fake. blind patriotism is what makes no sense to me. it seems the military has this in abundance.



    You are indeed, and I am not trying to be insulting, a fake pacifist. You lack a cohesive reality to practice your pacifism...

    Pacifism from a position of weakness is nothing....


    I am out but I leave you with a quote demonstrating what actual pacifism is.





    A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence. He chooses peace. He must be able to make a choice. He must have the genuine ability to destroy his enemy and then choose not to. I have heard this excuse made. I choose to be a pacifist before learning techniques so I do not need to learn the power of destruction. This shows no comprehension of the mind of the true warrior. This is just a rationalization to cover the fear of injury or hard training. The true warrior who chooses to be a pacifist is willing to stand and die for his principles. People claiming to be pacifists who rationalize to avoid hard training or injury will flee instead of standing and dying for principle. They are just cowards. Only a warrior who has tempered his spirit in conflict and who has confronted himself and his greatest fears can in my opinion make the choice to be a true pacifist. -takamura




    Simply stating "just don't fight only "fools" do it", is cowardice, not pacifism
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the leaders don't bear the brunt, the soldiers do.
    That's the family, relationship, psychological and physical burden.

    I was refering to the burden of "blame" and "responsibility" that people asign during and after conflicts.

    Individuals, sadly, are reduced to numbers on paper of "casualities" and statistics - in the history books everyone will know "Bush" they will know "Obama" and they will know "Clinton" in regard to this Middle East situation.
    The only time a soldier will go down in history is for descention and acts of valor.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    were you threatened by Iraq when your military invaded that sovereign nation.

    YOU INVADED IRAQ not under threat of attack. is that an order a person of integrity would have followed???????



    When I was there? I pushed the iraqi army and republican guard out of Kuwait. I'm cool with my actions.
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