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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    "Be the soldier whose strength is not to fight"

    Why this? Why ask a soldier to abandom hope for success?
    Why not demand that the leaders avoid stagnation and make decisions wisely instead of asking soldiers to bare the burden of reality? Why not demand that the people vote out those who chose to continue unworthy-war situations?

    Why should the soldiers always be the ones to upheave and throw? Why not the constituents, why not the Congress, why not the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

    Why not stage endless protests and demonstrations in support of the soldier's coming home?

    Why ask a soldier to give up what they thought was the right thing, to put their future career and family on the line, just to appease you who chose not to fight at all but, instead, chose to sit at a computer to read and debate something that is often incomprehensible to understand unless you've lived through it in some way?
    i question the sanity of a soldier who even followed the orders to go in the first place.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    you did in fact stand up for yourself. the fact that you believed in the mission means to me that you didn't question deep enough. i saw no reason to punish a nation for the ills of a few. if you think wholesale consequences are a good thing i would question that.


    yes had immigration not been cut off the Nazi's would not have the Glut of Jewish. WWII never needed to start though.




    Didn't question enough?


    Seriously, who the hell are you to make this judgment on me...


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    you did in fact stand up for yourself. the fact that you believed in the mission means to me that you didn't question deep enough. i saw no reason to punish a nation for the ills of a few. if you think wholesale consequences are a good thing i would question that.


    yes had immigration not been cut off the Nazi's would not have the Glut of Jewish. WWII never needed to start though.
    Yer killing me here....
    The last thing WW II was about was Jews...
    FYI, the Russians lost 3x the number of holocaust victims....
    I'll defer to the previous posters to correct you in the rest of your convoluted thinking....
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, they're not selling out, they are carrying out the oath they took to defend our country. it's not up to them, nor can it ever be, to choose when they fight.

    they don't march blindly. many don't agree with the wars they have to fight. but they do it because they are soldiers, and that's what soldiers are supposed to do. unfortunately, sometimes we don't see a war as just or necessary, but that has nothing to do with the men and women who are called to fight that war.

    to believe otherwise is to demean their service. you and i have the freedom we do today because somebody died for it, without question. we have to remember that.
    this and iraq and the first gulf war and so many others have had zero to do with defending ones country. it has to do with following orders no matter what they are. had Adolf Eichmann not followed stupid orders how many less Jewish would have died. How many Afghan innocents and Iraqi innocents have died because these soldiers were not protecting their nation but following foolish orders.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    this and iraq and the first gulf war and so many others have had zero to do with defending ones country. it has to do with following orders no matter what they are. had Adolf Eichmann not followed stupid orders how many less Jewish would have died. How many Afghan innocents and Iraqi innocents have died because these soldiers were not protecting their nation but following foolish orders.



    I don't know, Iraq's impiralism into kuwait did threaten the entire region and our allies...
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    i question the sanity of a soldier who even followed the orders to go in the first place.
    Oh, certainly you do - because, surely, if someone doesn't think the same way you do they're insane That's logical, oh sure.

    Logical in the same way that everyone whines about what the police officers do until they find theirselves in a pickle and much in need of their protection.

    Fortunately people like you are the minority, rightly so, becuase most balanced people understand that there's always a give and a take to every situation.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    this and iraq and the first gulf war and so many others have had zero to do with defending ones country. it has to do with following orders no matter what they are. had Adolf Eichmann not followed stupid orders how many less Jewish would have died. How many Afghan innocents and Iraqi innocents have died because these soldiers were not protecting their nation but following foolish orders.

    So, naturally, you consider the soldiers to be at fault but you think that the leaders aren't in the wrong?

    You're directing your distaste towards the wrong people - it's the leaders that bare the brunt and call the shots, they're the ones to be held accountable.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Remember in the other thread, where you were claiming something about mutual respect?


    Perhaps you shouldn't call people like me who served, and those who are serving "fools" for your politics.


    Unless of course, you want this conversation to head in that direction. I'm pretty good at mucking things up shorty.
    i do respect your beliefs. i think the act was foolish. i think that any time any person signs up for the military the make the statement that battle and war will continue. it is what they think is patriotic. i question the nature of patriotism. if it comes to killing over a policy that is not patriotism it is foolish.

    it is hard to separate the act of what one does for what he believes. if you believe that the battle was right your are entitled to that. i respect that. the fact that i think the entire mission was foolish is not reflective on that particular soldier.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    this and iraq and the first gulf war and so many others have had zero to do with defending ones country. it has to do with following orders no matter what they are. had Adolf Eichmann not followed stupid orders how many less Jewish would have died. How many Afghan innocents and Iraqi innocents have died because these soldiers were not protecting their nation but following foolish orders.
    it doesn't matter what we think about those wars, those soldiers took an oath to fight those wars. yes, innocents died, and continue to die. but any anger you might have shouldn't be directed at them.

    soldiers don't get to decide which orders they'll follow. as it should be.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post



    i don't fly my flag often.
    i never did. i do not fly one now. nor will i ever. they are the most divisive pieces of cloth ever invented.
    The flame that is between us could set every soul on fire. I would love to take that heat and let's fill the whole world with desire.
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