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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    if they became a soldier first and then the order comes. what are they to do?

    the real hero acts with personal integrity and says no i will not do this. the personal sell out blindly marches off to battle.



    So what if they believe in the mission, say in Afghanistan, what does that make them? /facepalm
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    When I was serving, I refused two orders, Both were deemed unlawful.


    Please stop comparing me to a nazi.

    By your logic. Europe would be speaking german....
    good for you i respect that you stood up for your beliefs.

    i was not comparing you to a Nazi. i was making a comparison about following orders.

    by my logic Europe is what it is. WWII could have been avoided as well as the holocaust. Churchill wanted to press the Nazi's so they really cut off immigration.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    So what if they believe in the mission, say in Afghanistan, what does that make them? /facepalm
    than they are bigger fools than i had thought. they may well have been blinded to truth by the flag waving in their eyes.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    good for you i respect that you stood up for your beliefs.

    I also believed in the mission, and had no problem executing my orders.

    what does that make me?


    i was not comparing you to a Nazi. i was making a comparison about following orders.

    by my logic Europe is what it is. WWII could have been avoided as well as the holocaust. Churchill wanted to press the Nazi's so they really cut off immigration.



    hmm. I don't think so.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    sure they do. refuse to follow. be the soldier whose strength is not to fight. had the Nazi soldiers not fought you would have applauded them would you not. following a wrong order is wrong no matter who set your feet to the path. it has to do with personal responsibility and integrity. is that not true?

    "Be the soldier whose strength is not to fight"

    Why this? Why ask a soldier to abandom hope for success?
    Why not demand that the leaders avoid stagnation and make decisions wisely instead of asking soldiers to bare the burden of reality? Why not demand that the people vote out those who chose to continue unworthy-war situations?

    Why should the soldiers always be the ones to upheave and throw? Why not the constituents, why not the Congress, why not the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

    Why not stage endless protests and demonstrations in support of the soldier's coming home?

    Why ask a soldier to give up what they thought was the right thing, to put their future career and family on the line, just to appease you who chose not to fight at all but, instead, chose to sit at a computer to read and debate something that is often incomprehensible to understand unless you've lived through it in some way?
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    if they became a soldier first and then the order comes. what are they to do?

    the real hero acts with personal integrity and says no i will not do this. the personal sell out blindly marches off to battle.
    no, they're not selling out, they are carrying out the oath they took to defend our country. it's not up to them, nor can it ever be, to choose when they fight.

    they don't march blindly. many don't agree with the wars they have to fight. but they do it because they are soldiers, and that's what soldiers are supposed to do. unfortunately, sometimes we don't see a war as just or necessary, but that has nothing to do with the men and women who are called to fight that war.

    to believe otherwise is to demean their service. you and i have the freedom we do today because somebody died for it, without question. we have to remember that.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    than they are bigger fools than i had thought. they may well have been blinded to truth by the flag waving in their eyes.


    Remember in the other thread, where you were claiming something about mutual respect?


    Perhaps you shouldn't call people like me who served, and those who are serving "fools" for your politics.


    Unless of course, you want this conversation to head in that direction. I'm pretty good at mucking things up shorty.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

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    no, they're not selling out, they are carrying out the oath they took to defend our country. it's not up to them, nor can it ever be, to choose when they fight.

    they don't march blindly. many don't agree with the wars they have to fight. but they do it because they are soldiers, and that's what soldiers are supposed to do. unfortunately, sometimes we don't see a war as just or necessary, but that has nothing to do with the men and women who are called to fight that war.

    to believe otherwise is to demean their service. you and i have the freedom we do today because somebody died for it, without question. we have to remember that.




    Hear! Hear!


    Excellent post liblady.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I also believed in the mission, and had no problem executing my orders.

    what does that make me?







    hmm. I don't think so.
    you did in fact stand up for yourself. the fact that you believed in the mission means to me that you didn't question deep enough. i saw no reason to punish a nation for the ills of a few. if you think wholesale consequences are a good thing i would question that.


    yes had immigration not been cut off the Nazi's would not have the Glut of Jewish. WWII never needed to start though.
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    i don't fly my flag often.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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