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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Someone correct me if I am wrong but if Obama approved the troop increase wouldn't it not take effect until next year?
    It will take several months to get all the additional soldiers on the ground and in their battle positions. All the more reason to stop ass'n around.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think at this point it would be better to go back later when the POTUS has the resolve and the backbone to do what needs to be done.
    That could very well be the best scenario. While I would rather not have to do it all over again, it may wind up costing use fewer casualties.

    The biggest problem I have with a pull out is the damage to morale that it's going to cause. The Libbos will be calling our soldier loosers for the next 30 years. We'll be told how mountain farmers with muskets kicked the **** out of the best trained and equipped army in the world.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That could very well be the best scenario. While I would rather not have to do it all over again, it may wind up costing use fewer casualties.

    The biggest problem I have with a pull out is the damage to morale that it's going to cause. The Libbos will be calling our soldier loosers for the next 30 years. We'll be told how mountain farmers with muskets kicked the **** out of the best trained and equipped army in the world.




    They called us nazi's, war criminals, murderers, drug addicts, uneducated, and tools.....


    What does them calling us Losers add to the equasion.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    What if the Afghan government remains questionably corrupt and unresponsive to efforts to reform?

    No amount of military might would be sufficient to win the support of the people outside of the large cities.

    The decision to add troops to an unstable and/or untenable political situation would spell disaster.

    That's why Obama will wait til after the run off election 11/7/09 to decide.

    If the people believe the election is bogus we will be throwing good lives away.

    This article is enlightening.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/we...lkins.html?hpw

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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This story has some anecdotal stories here, but it follows the same thing I and many other veterans have been saying about Obama's fiddling while Afghanistan burns.... Troop moral is suffering, and I hate to read stories like this. Obama needs to make a decision now.
    Well it's not the first war. If we keep haphazardly engaging in wars, it won't be the last to turn out like this either. We have to be smarter about wars, not hamstring our troops, and understand that we're not occupiers. Also, declare war for the love of all that is holy. It's really the only way by the Constitution we can go to war. And it makes things easier. You have to define goals and endgame before hand (I mean, it would be nice if regardless this was done; but obviously it's not). And if Congress is too chicken **** to actually officially declare war, well maybe it was a war we shouldn't have been getting into then.

    The stuff going on now needs to stop. Either give the military what it needs to finish, or pull the military out. I prefer the latter.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    They called us nazi's, war criminals, murderers, drug addicts, uneducated, and tools.....


    What does them calling us Losers add to the equasion.
    I don't think that's accurate-- the horrid treatment of soldiers after Vietnam is unlikely to happen again any time soon; I hope.

    Libbos and Connies may not agree on war, but they do, largely, both support soldiers.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Lets say you are right... What effect does didding for a few months have on getting troops there "in a year"?
    None at all. Obama clearly needs to make a decision and the longer he waits the worse it looks on him as a leader.

    It just makes the hyperbole clear from those that are saying that soldiers are dieing today because Obama hasn't made a decision. His decision would not impact soldiers in Afghan for months.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    None at all. Obama clearly needs to make a decision and the longer he waits the worse it looks on him as a leader.

    It just makes the hyperbole clear from those that are saying that soldiers are dieing today because Obama hasn't made a decision. His decision would not impact soldiers in Afghan for months.
    It takes more than military success to defeat insurgents. Insurgency grows where a corrupt and weak government does not provide security, justice, and opportunity. Unless these underlying problems are resolved, the military can kill insurgents forever, and more will emerge. Insurgency is a symptom of deeper ills. The rub is that these deeper ills are not military, but political, economic, and social--things that armed forces are not prepared to fix.
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    I don't think that's accurate-- the horrid treatment of soldiers after Vietnam is unlikely to happen again any time soon; I hope.

    Libbos and Connies may not agree on war, but they do, largely, both support soldiers.



    really? Do I need to name who said each of these things?


    Kerry
    Murtha
    Durbin
    Obama


    just for starters...
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    Re: U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    None at all. Obama clearly needs to make a decision and the longer he waits the worse it looks on him as a leader.

    It just makes the hyperbole clear from those that are saying that soldiers are dieing today because Obama hasn't made a decision. His decision would not impact soldiers in Afghan for months.



    So you need to link to a "year" first of all...


    and if it takes obama 6 months to make a decision, isnt that now a year and a half?
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