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War on coal

Middleground said:
You're unreal, Gill. This is not even close that what I have asked for. You sent me a marketing campaign for Elk hunters in Kentucky. Awesome.

This does not tell me a damn thing.

I'm poo-pooing it because it's nothing but poo-poo. Post a link that gives me hard evidence that the mining of coal on mountain top does not affect the surrounding ecology, and that everything is rebuilt as it once was.
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Thanks for being 100% predictable.

I knew you had no intention of actually trying to learn anything beyond your narrow viewpoint. Watch out, your blinders might slip off your head.

You're dismissed.
 
MrVicchio said:
Mountains have coal.. they have to go, sorry.
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Over my dead body.

Coal doesn't know what it's getting itself into. If they think the hippy liberal mountain-folk are bad... the alternative mountain hicks are worse... and have guns...:rofl
 
Gill said:
Thanks for being 100% predictable.

I knew you had no intention of actually trying to learn anything beyond your narrow viewpoint. Watch out, your blinders might slip off your head.

You're dismissed.
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See... I knew you couldn't come up with a damn thing-- as usual--to prove your point.

Happy elk hunting!
 
Middleground said:
See... I knew you couldn't come up with a damn thing-- as usual--to prove your point.

Happy elk hunting!
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See... I knew you couldn't come up with a damn thing that I could read and understand-- as usual--to prove your point.

Fixed it for you.
 
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Gill said:
See... I knew you couldn't come up with a damn thing that I could read and understand-- as usual--to prove your point.
Fixed it for you.
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Still wondering why any of this has any real bearing on the topic, given that MTR accounts for less than 5% of the output of the US coal mining industry.
 
Goobieman said:
Still wondering why any of this has any real bearing on the topic, given that MTR accounts for less than 5% of the output of the US coal mining industry.
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Because your statistic still does not make up for the fact that the place where I live is being rampaged. It doesn't make up for the fact that farmers are having to leave farming because the sediments have polluted their water supplies.
 
Goobieman said:
Still wondering why any of this has any real bearing on the topic, given that MTR accounts for less than 5% of the output of the US coal mining industry.
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Wow.

All that destruction for 5%.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Because your statistic still does not make up for the fact that the place where I live is being rampaged. It doesn't make up for the fact that farmers are having to leave farming because the sediments have polluted their water supplies.
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Yeah, I think the OP should be titled: "War on Killing the Environment", but I'm not going to count on the OP getting that part of the equation.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Because your statistic still does not make up for the fact that the place where I live is being rampaged. It doesn't make up for the fact that farmers are having to leave farming because the sediments have polluted their water supplies.
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Your personal situation has no relevance to nation-wide issue.

Assume for a moment that MTR is completely eliminated.

Then what?
 
Middleground said:
Wow.
All that destruction for 5%.
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STILL wondering why any of this has any real bearing on the topic, given that MTR accounts for less than 5% of the output of the US coal mining industry.
 
Goobieman said:
Your personal situation has no relevance to nation-wide issue.

Assume for a moment that MTR is completely eliminated.

Then what?
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We only lose 5% of coal output and we get to keep the oldest mountain range, and quite frankly the oldest piece of land, in the world.

How can you not understand this?
 
Goobieman said:
STILL wondering why any of this has any real bearing on the topic, given that MTR accounts for less than 5% of the output of the US coal mining industry.
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Because coal, and coal mining, has other destructive measures:

Tennessee Spill: The Exxon Valdez Of Coal Ash? : NPR

This spill was catastrophic.

Also, how about destruction of property... years later:

Abandoned mines can threaten homes, schools, roads - WAVE 3 TV Louisville, KY |

And let's not get started with the pollution it causes...
 
Middleground said:
Because coal, and coal mining, has other destructive measures:

Tennessee Spill: The Exxon Valdez Of Coal Ash? : NPR

This spill was catastrophic.

Also, how about destruction of property... years later:

Abandoned mines can threaten homes, schools, roads - WAVE 3 TV Louisville, KY |

And let's not get started with the pollution it causes...
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Have you heard about the coal mine that caught fire and an entire had to abondand? The mine is expected to burn underground for something like 200 years.
 
winston53660 said:
Have you heard about the coal mine that caught fire and an entire had to abondand? The mine is expected to burn underground for something like 200 years.
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Of course. These anti-mountain coal-miners don't see the absolute hazard they put thousands of people in every sortie. Some companies say that they'll "rebuild" the mountain. The miners already risk their lives trying to pop the top off, rebuilding it is suicide and too much money to make MTR beneficial to the coal company (simply put, it's a lie).
 
Arch Enemy said:
We only lose 5% of coal output and we get to keep the oldest mountain range, and quite frankly the oldest piece of land, in the world.

How can you not understand this?
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I understand it perfectly.
I am not sure how it is at all relevant to the issue.
 
winston53660 said:
Have you heard about the coal mine that caught fire and an entire had to abondand? The mine is expected to burn underground for something like 200 years.
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I would be very interested to see how this fire is ventilated.
 
Goobieman said:
I understand it perfectly.
I am not sure how it is at all relevant to the issue.
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Did you not read the article the OP cited? Here is a relevant excerpt:

Surface mining has long been opposed by environmental groups such as the Sierra Club, which has asked the Obama administration to ban surface mining, which it calls "mountaintop removal mining." A printable brochure on the Sierra Club Web site about the practice says: "Working together, we can end the destructive practice of mountaintop removal coal mining and stop big energy companies from walking away with billions in profit - while leaving nothing behind but a leveled mountain moonscape and valleys and streams filled with mining rubble. Too many communities in Appalachia have already paid a heavy price in polluted drinking water, flooded towns, damaged homes and destroyed lives."
 
Goobieman said:
I would be very interested to see how this fire is ventilated.
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The fumes come up through ground. It is like a giant BBQ grill. Ill look it up when I get home.
 
winston53660 said:
The fumes come up through ground. It is like a giant BBQ grill. Ill look it up when I get home.
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OK... but how does the air get in?
There has to be a lot of air going in/out to sustain such a thing.
 
Goobieman said:
I understand it perfectly.
I am not sure how it is at all relevant to the issue.
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You must've missed my point.

This so called Green Revolution is indeed disturbing, but there are instances (like MTR) of the status quo which are even more disturbing. We cannot dismiss acts against MTR, as some Liberal Agenda juxtaposed to what is good for the Country.

Coal companies get off my mountain and I'll think little of them. They stay and we're gonna have problems.
 
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