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Is PBO trying to get voted out, or what? 9% unemploymen and one of his sidekicks is going to kill more jobs? I'm seriously starting to question how smart this cat really is.

While campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama said his cap-and-trade tax plans would "bankrupt" anyone building a coal-fired power plant. Although those taxes haven't materialized, the Environmental Protection Agency has put the brakes on 79 surface mining permits in four states since he was elected.

The EPA says these permits could violate the Clean Water Act and warrant "enhanced" review. But the agency went even further last week, announcing plans to revoke a permit for the Spruce No. 1 Mine in West Virginia - a move that has caused anxiety among coal-state Democrats about the future of the industry under the Obama administration.

Hot Button - Washington Times
 
Have you seen the destruction this mining is creating? It's an abomination.

Isn't this gorgeous???
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From your article:

Surface mining has long been opposed by environmental groups such as the Sierra Club, which has asked the Obama administration to ban surface mining, which it calls "mountaintop removal mining." A printable brochure on the Sierra Club Web site about the practice says: "Working together, we can end the destructive practice of mountaintop removal coal mining and stop big energy companies from walking away with billions in profit - while leaving nothing behind but a leveled mountain moonscape and valleys and streams filled with mining rubble. Too many communities in Appalachia have already paid a heavy price in polluted drinking water, flooded towns, damaged homes and destroyed lives."

I applaud Barack for taking a tough stance on this and I hope he continues to do so.
 
Uh oh. :shock: This thread might bring out another one of lucifer's sock puppets.
 
Have you seen the destruction this mining is creating? It's an abomination.

Isn't this gorgeous???
mtrsite_1.jpg


coalmt2.jpg


mountain_top_coal_mining.jpg


From your article:

Surface mining has long been opposed by environmental groups such as the Sierra Club, which has asked the Obama administration to ban surface mining, which it calls "mountaintop removal mining." A printable brochure on the Sierra Club Web site about the practice says: "Working together, we can end the destructive practice of mountaintop removal coal mining and stop big energy companies from walking away with billions in profit - while leaving nothing behind but a leveled mountain moonscape and valleys and streams filled with mining rubble. Too many communities in Appalachia have already paid a heavy price in polluted drinking water, flooded towns, damaged homes and destroyed lives."

I applaud Barack for taking a tough stance on this and I hope he continues to do so.

Surface mine companies here in the states are required to reclaim the land. They are also required to take safety precaustions to prevent collateral damage. The regulations are already in place to protect the environment, so the solution is: enforce the laws that already exist.

I applaud Barack for taking a tough stance on this and I hope he continues to do so.

No matter how many people are put out of work and how much damage is done to the economy. Right?
 
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Have you seen the destruction this mining is creating? It's an abomination.
OK, now show us some honesty and post pics of what they look like after the mines are reclaimed.
 
OK, now show us some honesty and post pics of what they look like after the mines are reclaimed.

Are you actually saying that they are rebuilding the mountains they are destroying??? You're kidding, right?
 
Are you actually saying that they are rebuilding the mountains they are destroying??? You're kidding, right?
Still waiting for you to post pics of what they look like after the mines are reclaimed....
 
Are you actually saying that they are rebuilding the mountains they are destroying??? You're kidding, right?

No, he's not... but of course I'm sure the lefty web site your pics came from didn't tell you about it.

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Surface mine companies here in the states are required to reclaim the land. They are also required to take safety precaustions to prevent collateral damage. The regulations are already in place to protect the environment, so the solution is: enforce the laws that already exist.

Oh, yeah, they look as beautiful as ever! Check this out:

MTRsteps.jpg


Bye bye mountains for ever! But hey, what's the point in caring if it's not your view, water, and ecology that's being permanently damaged!

Mountain Justice - What is Mountain Top Removal Mining?



No matter how many people are put out of work and how much damage is done to the economy. Right?

Is it worth permanently damaging such beauty and ecology for a few lumps of coal? Is it worth permanently damaging the area's ecology just to put a few people to work?

To me, no way.
 
Is it worth permanently damaging such beauty and ecology for a few lumps of coal? Is it worth permanently damaging the area's ecology just to put a few people to work?
To me, no way.
Cry us a river.
 
Oh, yeah, they look as beautiful as ever! Check this out:

MTRsteps.jpg


Bye bye mountains for ever! But hey, what's the point in caring if it's not your view, water, and ecology that's being permanently damaged!

Mountain Justice - What is Mountain Top Removal Mining?





Is it worth permanently damaging such beauty and ecology for a few lumps of coal? Is it worth permanently damaging the area's ecology just to put a few people to work?

To me, no way.

Again, there are regulations in place to prevent those things from happening. it's the responsibility of the government to work with the mining companies to insure that those safe operating pratices are in place and in practice.
 
I live on the Appalachian mountains and this is a big big big issue here.

You will not find very many people (I would say less than 1% of the population) conservative or liberal who like mountain-top mining. It's ridiculous, disgusting, and I've (for the years i've lived here) seen once beautiful areas turn into something out of a science-fiction movie.

The aesthetics is not the only problem. The run-off gets into water ways and essentially pollutes irrigation that struggling Appalachian farmers rely on. Without the natural foliage of a mountain mud slides are more common.

It's ridiculous to suggest that coal mining is worth the price.
 
Again, there are regulations in place to prevent those things from happening. it's the responsibility of the government to work with the mining companies to insure that those safe operating pratices are in place and in practice.

Maybe that's the way they do it in Canada, but here in Kentucky, there are strict regulations on reclamation. About 10 years ago, a project to reintroduce elk was started. Elk were captured out west and turned loose on reclaimed coal land in eastern Kentucky. Today, we have the largest population of elk east of the Mississippi.... all on reclaimed coal mining areas.
 
Again, there are regulations in place to prevent those things from happening. it's the responsibility of the government to work with the mining companies to insure that those safe operating pratices are in place and in practice.

Apdst, there is no way in hell that one can replace a mountain top after it has been blown to smithereens. The damage is permanent, and the ecology is permanently changed. What they are doing here -- as evident in Gill's pictures -- is essentially no different than laying carpet over a beat up floor.
 
Apdst, there is no way in hell that one can replace a mountain top after it has been blown to smithereens. The damage is permanent, and the ecology is permanently changed. What they are doing here -- as evident in Gill's pictures -- is essentially no different than laying carpet over a beat up floor.

Ahhh, ignorance is bliss, right? You really have no idea what it takes to reclaim this land do you. It takes millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours.
 
The aesthetics is not the only problem. The run-off gets into water ways and essentially pollutes irrigation that struggling Appalachian farmers rely on. Without the natural foliage of a mountain mud slides are more common.

It's ridiculous to suggest that coal mining is worth the price.
Anyone know the % of US coal produced thru mountain-top removal mining?

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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaintop_removal]Mountaintop removal mining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


All the whining thus far is nothing but mountains out of mole-hills, and hardly an argument aginst the coal industry in general.
 
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Ahhh, ignorance is bliss, right? You really have no idea what it takes to reclaim this land do you. It takes millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours.

Tell you what, Gill. Find me some evidence that this can be done, with no damage done to the mountains and local ecology. That everything is all zen-like, with elk so happy and free after the mountains are blow to shreads! I am willing to read and be objective. Only stipulation is that the information must not come from any organization that profits from the destruction of these mountains.
 
Tell you what, Gill. Find me some evidence that this can be done, with no damage done to the mountains and local ecology. That everything is all zen-like, with elk so happy and free after the mountains are blow to shreads! I am willing to read and be objective. Only stipulation is that the information must not come from any organization that profits from the destruction of these mountains.

Here you go:

Elk in Kentucky


But I really don't expect you to bother of if you do, you'll simply dismiss it for some reason only you can fathom.
 
Anyone know the % of US coal produced thru mountain-top removal mining?

<5%
Mountaintop removal mining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


All the whining thus far is nothing but mountains out of mole-hills, and hardly an argument aginst the coal industry in general.

When your neighborhood has an asian killer on the loose you don't care the statistic of Asian killers to killers in general.

You could tell me that my neighborhood is the only one experiencing mountain top removal and I would not give two ****s because my neighborhood is much more important than your statistic.
 
Killing the coal industry has been his publicly stated plan for quite a while.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs"]YouTube - Shock VIDEO Unearthed Obama says he will bankrupt coal indus[/ame]

The money line comes at 2:16.

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Here you go:

Elk in Kentucky


But I really don't expect you to bother of if you do, you'll simply dismiss it for some reason only you can fathom.

You're unreal, Gill. This is not even close that what I have asked for. You sent me a marketing campaign for Elk hunters in Kentucky. Awesome.

This does not tell me a damn thing.

I'm poo-pooing it because it's nothing but poo-poo. Post a link that gives me hard evidence that the mining of coal on mountain top does not affect the surrounding ecology, and that everything is rebuilt as it once was.
 
You're unreal, Gill. This is not even close that what I have asked for. You sent me a marketing campaign for Elk hunters in Kentucky. Awesome.

This does not tell me a damn thing.

I'm poo-pooing it because it's nothing but poo-poo. Post a link that gives me hard evidence that the mining of coal on mountain top does not affect the surrounding ecology, and that everything is rebuilt as it once was.

MTR accounts for less than 5% of the out put of the US coal mining industry.
So what?
 
Is PBO trying to get voted out, or what? 9% unemploymen and one of his sidekicks is going to kill more jobs? I'm seriously starting to question how smart this cat really is.

When peoples electric bills start sky rocketing common sense will set back in, till then we must suffer as the fools keep going after "Green dreams".
 
When peoples electric bills start sky rocketing common sense will set back in, till then we must suffer as the fools keep going after "Green dreams".

I agree with that.

Just leave my G-D mountains alone.
 
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