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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Your subjectivity is getting out of hand.
    There's no subjectivity in the statement you responded to.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Isn't this gorgeous???




    Very impressive work, much much MUCH more impressive than littering the California Grapevine with umbrellas.

    Who's the artist?

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    It's ridiculous to suggest that coal mining is worth the price.
    Of course it's worth the price. It makes electricity cheaper, or it wouldn't be mined.

    If the damn sociailsts in Appalachia who keep electing these anti-American, anti-nuclear Luddite socialist slugs to Washington would start electing Americans instead, we'd have enough nuclear power plants to stop mining coal, and then the bee-yoooo-tiful Appalachians could be restored to their pristine natural state and the coal miners could sit home on the front porch of their cabins, barefoot and drinking white lightnin' from a jug, completely out of work.

    I'm all for it.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    We only lose 5% of coal output and we get to keep the oldest mountain range, and quite frankly the oldest piece of land, in the world.
    So you're arguing that MTR will eventually dig to below sea level, is that what you're saying?

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Have you heard about the coal mine that caught fire and an entire had to abondand? The mine is expected to burn underground for something like 200 years.
    That's why we should go nuclear.

    There's no unresolved problems with nuclear power, expect the vexing one of how to make the idiots opposed to nuclear power stop breeding.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Of course it's worth the price. It makes electricity cheaper, or it wouldn't be mined.
    Pssst... electricity -should- be expensive, so we use less of it.

    Did'nt you know that the widespread availability of cheap electricity does nothing but perpetuate the affluenza of the free world!?!?!?!?

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah -- the usual envirofascist claim of the moral high ground.

    "Clean" air and water do not exist. Never have, never will.
    No, actually, that's a valid point.

    The company stripping the mountain is morally obligated to ensure that the neighboring properties are not adversely affected by their actions, or pay due compensation for damages.

    Basic libertarian principle.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Because your statistic still does not make up for the fact that the place where I live is being rampaged. It doesn't make up for the fact that farmers are having to leave farming because the sediments have polluted their water supplies.
    So move, or buy the next mountain that has coal under it, that way you would actualy have something to say about what is done with that land.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, actually, that's a valid point.
    The company stripping the mountain is morally obligated to ensure that the neighboring properties are not adversely affected by their actions, or pay due compensation for damages.
    That's all well and good, and in principle, I do not disagree -- but it doesnt really have all that much to do with what I said. My point is that the object of the 'clean air' argument isn't the cleanliness of the environment, but the elimination of certain activities.

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    Re: War on coal

    Coal seam fire

    A coal seam fire or mine fire is the underground smouldering of a coal deposit, often in a coal mine. Such fires have economic, social and ecological impacts. They are often started by lightning, grass, or forest fires, and are particularly insidious because they continue to smoulder underground after surface fires have been extinguished, sometimes for many years, before flaring up and restarting forest and brush fires nearby. They propagate in a creeping fashion along mine shafts and cracks in geologic structures.

    Coal fires are a serious problem because hazards to health and safety and the environment include toxic fumes, reigniting grass, brush, or forest fires, and subsidence of surface infrastructure such as roads, pipelines, electric lines, bridge supports, buildings and homes. Whether started by humans or by natural causes, coal seam fires continue to burn for decades or even centuries until either the fuel source is exhausted; a permanent groundwater table is encountered; the depth of the burn becomes greater than the ground’s capacity to subside and vent; or humans intervene. Because they burn underground, coal seam fires are extremely difficult and costly to extinguish, and are unlikely to be suppressed by rainfall.[1] There are strong similarities between coal fires and peat fires.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_seam_fire]Coal seam fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Centralia is a borough and ghost town in Columbia County, Pennsylvania, United States. Its population has dwindled from over 1,000 residents in 1981 to 12 in 2005[1] and 9 in 2007,[2] as a result of a mine fire burning beneath the borough since 1962. Centralia is now the least-populous municipality in Pennsylvania, with four fewer residents than the borough of S.N.P.J.

    Centralia is part of the Bloomsburg–Berwick Micropolitan Statistical Area.

    Centralia, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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