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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Is it worth permanently damaging such beauty and ecology for a few lumps of coal? Is it worth permanently damaging the area's ecology just to put a few people to work?
    To me, no way.
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    Re: War on coal

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    Oh, yeah, they look as beautiful as ever! Check this out:



    Bye bye mountains for ever! But hey, what's the point in caring if it's not your view, water, and ecology that's being permanently damaged!

    Mountain Justice - What is Mountain Top Removal Mining?





    Is it worth permanently damaging such beauty and ecology for a few lumps of coal? Is it worth permanently damaging the area's ecology just to put a few people to work?

    To me, no way.
    Again, there are regulations in place to prevent those things from happening. it's the responsibility of the government to work with the mining companies to insure that those safe operating pratices are in place and in practice.
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    Re: War on coal

    I live on the Appalachian mountains and this is a big big big issue here.

    You will not find very many people (I would say less than 1% of the population) conservative or liberal who like mountain-top mining. It's ridiculous, disgusting, and I've (for the years i've lived here) seen once beautiful areas turn into something out of a science-fiction movie.

    The aesthetics is not the only problem. The run-off gets into water ways and essentially pollutes irrigation that struggling Appalachian farmers rely on. Without the natural foliage of a mountain mud slides are more common.

    It's ridiculous to suggest that coal mining is worth the price.
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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Again, there are regulations in place to prevent those things from happening. it's the responsibility of the government to work with the mining companies to insure that those safe operating pratices are in place and in practice.
    Maybe that's the way they do it in Canada, but here in Kentucky, there are strict regulations on reclamation. About 10 years ago, a project to reintroduce elk was started. Elk were captured out west and turned loose on reclaimed coal land in eastern Kentucky. Today, we have the largest population of elk east of the Mississippi.... all on reclaimed coal mining areas.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Again, there are regulations in place to prevent those things from happening. it's the responsibility of the government to work with the mining companies to insure that those safe operating pratices are in place and in practice.
    Apdst, there is no way in hell that one can replace a mountain top after it has been blown to smithereens. The damage is permanent, and the ecology is permanently changed. What they are doing here -- as evident in Gill's pictures -- is essentially no different than laying carpet over a beat up floor.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Apdst, there is no way in hell that one can replace a mountain top after it has been blown to smithereens. The damage is permanent, and the ecology is permanently changed. What they are doing here -- as evident in Gill's pictures -- is essentially no different than laying carpet over a beat up floor.
    Ahhh, ignorance is bliss, right? You really have no idea what it takes to reclaim this land do you. It takes millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The aesthetics is not the only problem. The run-off gets into water ways and essentially pollutes irrigation that struggling Appalachian farmers rely on. Without the natural foliage of a mountain mud slides are more common.

    It's ridiculous to suggest that coal mining is worth the price.
    Anyone know the % of US coal produced thru mountain-top removal mining?

    <5%
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaintop_removal]Mountaintop removal mining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    All the whining thus far is nothing but mountains out of mole-hills, and hardly an argument aginst the coal industry in general.
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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahhh, ignorance is bliss, right? You really have no idea what it takes to reclaim this land do you. It takes millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours.
    Tell you what, Gill. Find me some evidence that this can be done, with no damage done to the mountains and local ecology. That everything is all zen-like, with elk so happy and free after the mountains are blow to shreads! I am willing to read and be objective. Only stipulation is that the information must not come from any organization that profits from the destruction of these mountains.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: War on coal

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Tell you what, Gill. Find me some evidence that this can be done, with no damage done to the mountains and local ecology. That everything is all zen-like, with elk so happy and free after the mountains are blow to shreads! I am willing to read and be objective. Only stipulation is that the information must not come from any organization that profits from the destruction of these mountains.
    Here you go:

    Elk in Kentucky


    But I really don't expect you to bother of if you do, you'll simply dismiss it for some reason only you can fathom.

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    Re: War on coal

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    Anyone know the % of US coal produced thru mountain-top removal mining?

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    Mountaintop removal mining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    All the whining thus far is nothing but mountains out of mole-hills, and hardly an argument aginst the coal industry in general.
    When your neighborhood has an asian killer on the loose you don't care the statistic of Asian killers to killers in general.

    You could tell me that my neighborhood is the only one experiencing mountain top removal and I would not give two ****s because my neighborhood is much more important than your statistic.
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