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    Re: Hawaii's school year cut

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    they cut teacher pay by 8% and made an equitable cut in teacher hours...what kind of union would agree to an 8% cut in pay without some offsetting benefit
    One that cares more about the end result of their professional efforts than their own compensation?
    One that puts the needs of their children over their own?

    but this stinks of a government/electorate which has its priorities misplaced, that it would abbreviate the amount of time for the students to attend public schools
    This is very true.

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    Re: Hawaii's school year cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Schools will logically lay off teachers if the money isn't there, which in turn increases classroom sizes. If they're now cutting the year short, then it must mean that they aren't willing to increase classroom sizes anymore, and I think this is ultimately a good thing.
    This is only true if the loss of efficacy from increased class size is more than the loss of efficacy in a ~10% reduction in class time.

    I think you'll have a hard time showing this to be the case.

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    Re: Hawaii's school year cut

    As long as they leave that extra minute to recite the "Pledge of Allegience", I'm cool with it....

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    Re: Hawaii's school year cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is only true if the loss of efficacy from increased class size is more than the loss of efficacy in a ~10% reduction in class time.

    I think you'll have a hard time showing this to be the case.
    It's not as simple a a cost/benefit analysis. It's up to the school board to determine for their district which is more valuable to them. It's easy for us to judge but they have their own values. I don't think it's as black and white as saying the union is greedy and would rather delay schooling in order to avoid laying off teachers.

    There is also no indication in the OP if the schools will or won't be compensating for the loss of time. For example, maybe kids will be given material to look at when they're at home; maybe they will be given online resources. I don't know, I'm just positing.

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    Re: Hawaii's school year cut

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    Your children's grades matter far less than what they are doing on the yearly standardized tests.
    If they're doing good grade wise then they will no doubt do good on the standardized tests since the same stuff is covered either way.
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    Re: Hawaii's school year cut

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    read an interesting article recently about testing of poor urban and affluent suburban school systems. seems the poor students did as well on the tests as their affluent counterparts, when the tests were semester to semester, when measuring academic growth. the annual scoring difference was found to be due to the gains achieved in the summers. the affluent kids, who got to travel and attend camps and receive special instruction showed educational performance gains during the summers. the poor kids, without those same opportunities to develop their mental abilities showed negligible gains. over the course of a 12/13 year public education the affluent kids had a tremendous accululated advantage. the point being, if we want to have a world class economy we must educate our kids on par with the most advanced academic performing nations. we are not providing what our kids need to be competitive and they are scoring at inferior academic performance levels as a result. where are our nation's priorities ... are we, the other 49 states, almost as bad as hawaii?

    Interesting, bubba !

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    Re: Hawaii's school year cut

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    where are our nation's priorities ... are we, the other 49 states, almost as bad as hawaii?
    I enjoyed your post, and it makes sense.

    Unfortunate in North America there seems to be a trend toward cutting education and health care before anything else. They are usually the first to go.

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