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Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

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Obama's Minions Are Ingrates
On October 18, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel appeared on the Sunday morning talk shows and, in the process of answering questions about Barack Obama's strategy on Afghanistan, accused the Bush administration of failing to ask the most basic questions about that country and our war there.

Jones asked Hadley not to release the results of the Lute review so that his boss would have more flexibility when it came time to provide direction for the U.S. presence in Afghanistan. Bush officials reasoned that Obama was more likely to heed their advice if he could simply adopt their recommendations without having to acknowledge that they came from the Bush White House. So Hadley agreed.

"Mr. Emanuel either did not know about our review or chose to lie about it," says Eliot Cohen, who served as counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and was one of the principal participants in the Lute review. Virtually nobody believes Emanuel is clueless...
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Lies, lies and more lies.
With the way this crew operates The Weekly Standard could be next in their sights.

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These morons need to stop blaming the past for thier failure to act. It's pathetic.
 
Chicago thuggery at its finest.
 
Emanuel actually made a valid point in a round about way. According to the OP Bush didn't do a full review supposedly asking all the questions Emanuel was referring to until mid-September to mid-November 2008 via the Lute Review, roughly 7 years after the first combat operations. At that point, late 2008, Bush wouldn't have had time to make the necessary changes that probably should have been made long before the situation in Afghanistan became Obama's problem.
 
And that excuse, such as it was, expired in March when Obama declared his new "comprehensive strategy" which he crafted after "careful review."

It's been Obama's strategy and Obama's ball game ever since.
 
These morons need to stop blaming the past for their failure to act. It's pathetic.
 
The Prof said:
These morons need to stop blaming the past for their failure to act. It's pathetic.
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It seems to be in their DNA; some are born with a tendency towards alcoholism, others are bred with a tendency towards being a victim.

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The blaming of the Bush Administration is no longer a viable answer to any question involving the current situation. Obama cares more about partying, traveling to COPENHAGEN to promote Chicago, and fund raising than make a decision that will effect the lives of our troops who continue to die while he is pointing fingers rather than doing his job. He needs to either take the advise of the men who know how to fight and win a war or admit he's in over his head and resign the office he's clearly not qualified to hold.
His minions continue to obfuscate while our young people die it's a disgrace.
 
The right really looks silly arguing this issue..With all of the "Bush Who" lamebrain nonsense...

Let's just look back and ask ourselves just how long they tried to explain away all of their faults and failures by using Clinton's penis as a crutch?
For years all we heard that "It wasn't our fault it was Clinton's penis".

You people really need to learn that the nation is going to have a very hard time ever trusting your party again with making decisions that concern the "Health and Well Being" of our men and woman in uniform. Unless you find a way to conjure up the guts and dignity to be able to admit to your faults and failures, learn from them, and move forward in a POSITIVE manner with everybody's interests being top priority..Not just the self serving needs of your own party....AGAIN.
 
goldendog said:
The right really looks silly arguing this issue..With all of the "Bush Who" lamebrain nonsense...

Let's just look back and ask ourselves just how long they tried to explain away all of their faults and failures by using Clinton's penis as a crutch?
For years all we heard that "It wasn't our fault it was Clinton's penis".
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So . . .

Is it illegitimate to continually blame the previous administration, or isn't it?

What's the answer? Come down definitively on one side or the other, but until you do, don't bother weighing in.
 
Harshaw said:
So . . .

Is it illegitimate to continually blame the previous administration, or isn't it?

What's the answer? Come down definitively on one side or the other, but until you do, don't bother weighing in.
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Blaming is far different from being aware of the reality of the current situation and why it exists? Having one's head in the sand and only being willing to Blame current problems on current recently elected people because past bad decisions were made repeatedly is not very smart....we should ALL learn from those past lessons and make every attempt not to repeat them. Not ignore them or write them off as "Not being a factor".
 
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goldendog said:
Blaming is far different from being aware of the reality of the current situation and why it exists? Having one's head in the sand and only being willing to Blame current problems on current recently elected people because past bad decisions were made repeatedly is not very smart....we should ALL learn from those past lessons and make every attempt not to repeat them. Not ignore them or write them off as "Not being a factor".
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You didn't answer the question, but that's not unusual.
 
So soon into the new Presidents term is it legitimate not to blame the CURRENT situation on the ground in Afghanistan on the prior adminstraions stand off policy reguarding that war? As it stand now the situation was born from past policies was it not?
 
goldendog said:
So soon into the new Presidents term is it legitimate not to blame the CURRENT situation on the ground in Afghanistan on the prior adminstraions stand off policy reguarding that war? As it stand now the situation was born from past policies was it not?
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The question I asked is whether or not it's legitimate for the current administration to blame the previous administration. You keep bringing up Clinton, so yes, or no?
 
Harshaw said:
The question I asked is whether or not it's legitimate for the current administration to blame the previous administration. You keep bringing up Clinton, so yes, or no?
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Yes it is legitimate to a certain degree...especially if the current situation on the ground are directly related to past failed policies and the current corrupt pratices of the puppet government, who was installed by the previous administration, has led to recent election fraud.

Is it legitimate to ignore that the current situation in Afghanistan as it stands today was born from mistakes made in the past 6 years or so?
 
goldendog said:
Yes it is legitimate to a certain degree...
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Good. There were legitimate things to blame on Clinton, so no more of your caterwauling on that.


Is it legitimate to ignore that the current situation in Afghanistan as it stands today was born from mistakes made in the past 6 years or so?
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As I said above . . . Obama put in his own general (McChrystal), and to much fanfare in March, he announced he was implementing his own "comprehensive strategy" which was based on "careful review."

In other words, it became his ball game after that. You know, "comprehensive strategy" and all.

Now, if he's still not responsible here, is it because:

1) He was lying?

2) He was kidding?

3) He grossly overstated it?

Also, would you like to give the exact date upon which Obama has been in office long enough to become responsible? If it's not 9 months into his term when is it? Give the date.
 
Harshaw said:
Good. There were legitimate things to blame on Clinton, so no more of your caterwauling on that.




As I said above . . . Obama put in his own general (McChrystal), and to much fanfare in March, he announced he was implementing his own "comprehensive strategy" which was based on "careful review."

In other words, it became his ball game after that. You know, "comprehensive strategy" and all.

Now, if he's still not responsible here, is it because:

1) He was lying?

2) He was kidding?

3) He grossly overstated it?

Also, would you like to give the exact date upon which Obama has been in office long enough to become responsible? If it's not 9 months into his term when is it? Give the date.
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ur clearly a biased idiot.
 
Harshaw said:
Good. There were legitimate things to blame on Clinton, so no more of your caterwauling on that.




As I said above . . . Obama put in his own general (McChrystal), and to much fanfare in March, he announced he was implementing his own "comprehensive strategy" which was based on "careful review."

In other words, it became his ball game after that. You know, "comprehensive strategy" and all.

Now, if he's still not responsible here, is it because:

1) He was lying?

2) He was kidding?

3) He grossly overstated it?

Also, would you like to give the exact date upon which Obama has been in office long enough to become responsible? If it's not 9 months into his term when is it? Give the date.
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Was Bush Responsible for everything that happened while he was in office 9 months in?

You see Harshaw...no matter how much you righties need that to be true about President Obama it just isn't and never will be...unless you also admit that everything that happened 9 months into Bush's first term he was responsible for.
 
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goldendog said:
Was Bush Responsible for everything that happened while he was in office 9 months in?
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We aren't talking about Bush, and we aren't talking about "everything" -- we're talking about something that Obama himself said he had taken control of.

But I'll ask again -- on what date has Obama been in office long enough to be responsible . . . for anything? Do you have an answer?
 
goldendog said:
You see Harshaw...no matter how much you righties need that to be true about President Obama it just isn't and never will be...unless you also admit that everything that happened 9 months into Bush's first term he was responsible for.
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He was the guy in charge, and was responsible for everything he could do something about, especially those things he specifically, overtly took control of.

Now, care to give that date when Obama becomes responsible?
 
Harshaw said:
We aren't talking about Bush, and we aren't talking about "everything" -- we're talking about something that Obama himself said he had taken control of.

But I'll ask again -- on what date has Obama been in office long enough to be responsible . . . for anything? Do you have an answer?
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When he choses to compile all of the relevant information and makes a final decision on the matter then yes he will be held responsible for the consequences of that decision but still people will not just ignore the realites of the past....

Read the edit to the post i made above this.
 
goldendog said:
When he choses to compile all of the relevant information and makes a final decision on the matter then yes he will be held responsible for the outcome of those consequences but still people will not just ignore the realites of the past....
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March, 2009. "Careful review." "Comprehensive strategy." Hand-picked general.

That's the reality. He took charge. He implemented his own vision. It's on him. He's responsible.
 
Harshaw said:
March, 2009. "Careful review." "Comprehensive strategy." Hand-picked general.

That's the reality. He took charge. He implemented his own vision. It's on him. He's responsible.
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And what is the exact reality in Afghanistan that he is starting from and how did that reality come about?
 
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goldendog said:
And what is the exact reality that he is starting from?
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The reality covered by his "careful review" and addressed by his "comprehensive strategy," of course, overseen by his hand-picked general. Since March, it's been his baby.

So I ask you again --

Was he kidding?

Was he lying?

Was he grossly overstating?
 
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