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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    You see Harshaw...no matter how much you righties need that to be true about President Obama it just isn't and never will be...unless you also admit that everything that happened 9 months into Bush's first term he was responsible for.
    He was the guy in charge, and was responsible for everything he could do something about, especially those things he specifically, overtly took control of.

    Now, care to give that date when Obama becomes responsible?
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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    We aren't talking about Bush, and we aren't talking about "everything" -- we're talking about something that Obama himself said he had taken control of.

    But I'll ask again -- on what date has Obama been in office long enough to be responsible . . . for anything? Do you have an answer?
    When he choses to compile all of the relevant information and makes a final decision on the matter then yes he will be held responsible for the consequences of that decision but still people will not just ignore the realites of the past....

    Read the edit to the post i made above this.

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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    When he choses to compile all of the relevant information and makes a final decision on the matter then yes he will be held responsible for the outcome of those consequences but still people will not just ignore the realites of the past....
    March, 2009. "Careful review." "Comprehensive strategy." Hand-picked general.

    That's the reality. He took charge. He implemented his own vision. It's on him. He's responsible.
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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    March, 2009. "Careful review." "Comprehensive strategy." Hand-picked general.

    That's the reality. He took charge. He implemented his own vision. It's on him. He's responsible.
    And what is the exact reality in Afghanistan that he is starting from and how did that reality come about?
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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    And what is the exact reality that he is starting from?
    The reality covered by his "careful review" and addressed by his "comprehensive strategy," of course, overseen by his hand-picked general. Since March, it's been his baby.

    So I ask you again --

    Was he kidding?

    Was he lying?

    Was he grossly overstating?
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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The reality covered by his "careful review" and addressed by his "comprehensive strategy," of course, overseen by his hand-picked general. Since March, it's been his baby.

    So I ask you again --

    Was he kidding?

    Was he lying?

    Was he grossly overstating?
    Is Cheney grossly overstating and lying or kidding us when he said his administration keep America safe?..afterall he and Bush created some kind of "Comprehensive strategy" to twart attack an on our country 9 months into their term which they were warned about from several sources.
    They are totally responsible for that now...aren't they?

    As I said...you righties can't have it both ways.

    That is the reason we are in Afghanistan isn't it? To revenge those attacks.
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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Is Cheney grossly overstating and lying or kidding us when he said his administration keep America safe?..
    There were no further attacks on US soil after 9/11, which is what he referred to, so apparently not.


    afterall he and Bush created some kind of "Comprehensive strategy" to twart attack an on our country 9 months into their term
    Can you point to them holding a press conference and announcing this?


    which they were warned about from several sources.
    They are totally responsible for that now...aren't they?
    They took responsibility. They also responded within weeks. There was NO indecision, no dithering, no complaints about having to "review."

    There sure as HELL were no talk show appearances, no soirees, no fund-raising trips, no battles with a network, no anything else which distracted from the decisions which needed to be made at that time. They didn't whine about it. They didn't complain about any messes left by Clinton. They didn't complain about the minority Democrats. They hunkered down and made the decisions.

    The country needed leadership in those days, and say what you want about what happened after, NO ONE except the most rabid haters says Bush didn't lead in those days. He did exactly what the country needed, which is why his approval rating topped 90 percent at the time.

    So, Bush in October '01, and Obama in October '09? Absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Obama is an indecisive whiner. Bush led.

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    Of course, this is all a distraction anyway. You simply don't want to answer the points above.

    I realize you know there's no path for you here, and you KNOW that Obama specifically, overtly took responsibility for Afghanistan back in March. But why not just say so instead of all this lame whining about Bush?

    Bush is gone.
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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There were no further attacks on US soil after 9/11, which is what he referred to, so apparently not.




    Can you point to them holding a press conference and announcing this?




    They took responsibility. They also responded within weeks. There was NO indecision, no dithering, no complaints about having to "review."

    There sure as HELL were no talk show appearances, no soirees, no fund-raising trips, no battles with a network, no anything else which distracted from the decisions which needed to be made at that time. They didn't whine about it. They didn't complain about any messes left by Clinton. They didn't complain about the minority Democrats. They hunkered down and made the decisions.

    The country needed leadership in those days, and say what you want about what happened after, NO ONE except the most rabid haters says Bush didn't lead in those days. He did exactly what the country needed, which is why his approval rating topped 90 percent at the time.

    So, Bush in October '01, and Obama in October '09? Absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Obama is an indecisive whiner. Bush led.

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    Of course, this is all a distraction anyway. You simply don't want to answer the points above.

    I realize you know there's no path for you here, and you KNOW that Obama specifically, overtly took responsibility for Afghanistan back in March. But why not just say so instead of all this lame whining about Bush?

    Bush is gone.
    "Bush is gone"

    So are 3000 us Citizens and 4000 US troops.

    And apparently because it was 9 months into their first term in office and they were warned previously...they are responsible.

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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    "Bush is gone"

    So are 3000 us Citizens and 4000 US troops.

    And apparently because it was 9 months into their first term in office and they were warned previously...they are responsible.
    Simply repeating the same distractions and deflections from discussing Obama and the here and now . . . and bordering on Truffer crap, for that matter.

    You've conceded the point. You can run along now.
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    Re: Obama's Minions Are Ingrates

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Simply repeating the same distractions and deflections from discussing Obama and the here and now . . . and bordering on Truffer crap, for that matter.

    You've conceded the point. You can run along now.
    I accept your concession.....

    You've made my point very clear....the right can't have it both ways.

    If as you say President Obama is going to be held responsible for the present day Afghanistan and what let to it along with not making decisions quickly and accurately enough then so should Dick and Bush.

    That's just the way it is.
    Last edited by goldendog; 10-26-09 at 01:30 AM.

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