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NATO Backs McChrystal Strategy

bush was a loser

afghanistan is killing THIS president---politically
 
afghanistan is KILLING this president

obama LIED

on september 20 he went on five sunday talks and repeated his prevarications---he was awaiting a "top-to-bottom review" from his employees in the field, he said

and he had not yet been asked for more troops

the next day, monday, september 21, bob woodward of the post leaked mcchrystal's secret assessment which obama had been sitting on since august 30

the publication of the general's report exposed obama's LIES
 
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john king on this morning's state of the union, cnn

(paparphrasing)

king: ever since rahm emanuel told me last week that the bush administration left the current white house completely in the dark concerning afghanistan, my phone has not stopped ringing off the hook

king: reports suggest that general petraeus late in the bush administration recommended a troop decrease in iraq, and bush deferred that decision to obama to allow the incoming white house to get the credit

please reserve your objections for mr king, i simply report what i saw and noted on my omnipresent clipboard
 
stephanopoulos on this morning's this week:

(paraphrasing)

stephy: nato endorsed mcchrystal's strategy, obama's entire cabinet is behind the general, will president obama ultimately agree to send reinforcements to afghanistan?

the entire panel: yes

that's george will, al hunt, cynthia tucker, laura ingraham and john podesta

stephy made 6

tucker, podesta and stephy equivocated talk about triggers, phase-in's and reinforcements fewer than 40G

yet they too still saw obama as, apparently, obligated to do that which he really doesn't want and which his base is gonna be really unhappy about

his base is correct---we have very little chance of accomplishing much positive over there, no matter how many we send, no matter which tactics we adopt

afghanistan is KILLING this president---politically
 
I guess you could blame that on the past eight years as well....:mrgreen:


j-mac

I'm not a partisan, which makes me such a good observer.

I hate both wings equally.

However, I'm on a mission to find partisan trolls who read through threads looking for opportunities to:

1. Demand sources (though they rarely provide any themselves)
2. Attack sources (apdst's attack on wikipedia yesterday was priceless)
3. Attack folks personally
4. Repeat talking points they heard on TV or radio.
5. Ignore valid rebuttals and bring up something totally non-germane to the topic at hand.

Everyone knows the game and who the worst violators are. I'm trying to beat them at their own game. So, I'm going to troll all the trolls and annoy the **** out of them. (when I have time, I have a job and kids)

From what I've observed on this forum (and others), left wingers generally start threads with rediculous topics to bait the conservatives into a fight. But the right-wingers usually fail to come through because they concentrate most of their effort asking for sources, attacking sources, making personal attacks or bringing up something unrelated, rather than making counterpoints to support their opinion. It's vicious cycle. And wastes a lot of GB here and on other forums. Both parties are to blame.
 
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I'm not a partisan, which makes me such a good observer.

I hate both wings equally.

However, I'm on a mission to find partisan trolls who read through threads looking for opportunities to:

1. Demand sources (though they rarely provide any themselves)
2. Attack sources (apdst's attack on wikipedia yesterday was priceless)
3. Attack folks personally
4. Repeat talking points they heard on TV or radio.
5. Ignore valid rebuttals and bring up something totally non-germane to the topic at hand.

Everyone knows the game and who the worst violators are. I'm trying to beat them at their own game. So, I'm going to troll all the trolls and annoy the **** out of them. (when I have time, I have a job and kids)

From what I've observed on this forum (and others), left wingers generally start threads with rediculous topics to bait the conservatives into a fight. But the right-wingers usually fail to come through because they concentrate most of their effort asking for sources, attacking sources, making personal attacks or bringing up something unrelated, rather than making counterpoints to support their opinion. It's vicious cycle. And wastes a lot of GB here and on other forums. Both parties are to blame.



My post was half joking, but thanks for the revelation.


j-mac
 
I don't know what I would have done if the Army would have really screwed me. I probably would have just enlisted.

Oh yeah, I would have resigned my commission at the first available moment. I served with a guy that did that. He went to college on what was known as the Green and Gold program, or something like that. Basically, he got off of active duty, went to college and joined ROTC so he could come back in as a commissioned officer. They branched him transportation. He resigned and went back enlisted. It was right after that, I was offered a slot at OCS and said, "thanks, but no thanks".





Thanks! But I'm not into the nerdy artillery stuff like red socks. I make fun of those guys usually! I'll get St. Barbs someday, I'm sure. I'm not sweating it.



I don't care how nerdy it is, it's tradition. You think I liked wearing that stetson? That's not the way to wear a friggin cowboy hat! But, I wore the dorky looking thing, anyway. Oh, and spurs on my jump boots? That was just to much for me, but, I did it. You just suck it up and drive on, keep your cassons full, your horses fresh and I'll wave to you as you pass through Fiddler's Green, on your way to hell.

I'd rather bring all my boys home safely from combat...

As long as you don't show up with that little superiority complex you have and you'll be ok. Don't piss off your NCO's, they can make you, or break you.
 
I'm not a partisan, which makes me such a good observer.

I hate both wings equally.


You know how redundant that comment is? "I'm not partisan! Moderates are the best!". Come on, Cap.
 
My question would this:

Will the Europissants in NATO actually send soliders to help out our boys or is this so called "broad support" more Euro-garbage?

Obama needs to make a decision either follow General McChrystal's advice and send help to our boys or bring them home. Hell for Christ sake he can flip a coin and he still would have a 50% chance of making the right call.
 
My question would this:

Will the Europissants in NATO actually send soliders to help out our boys or is this so called "broad support" more Euro-garbage?

Obama needs to make a decision either follow General McChrystal's advice and send help to our boys or bring them home. Hell for Christ sake he can flip a coin and he still would have a 50% chance of making the right call.

Since NATO took command of ISAF in 2003, the Alliance has gradually expanded the reach of its mission, originally limited to Kabul, to cover Afghanistan’s whole territory. The number of ISAF troops has grown accordingly from the initial 5,000 to around 50.000 troops coming from 42 countries, including all 28 NATO members.

NATO - Topic: Afghanistan, NATO's role in

NATO provides 50,000 troops.

And I think Obama wants to see how the run off elections go.
 
You know how redundant that comment is? "I'm not partisan! Moderates are the best!". Come on, Cap.

I don't think redundant is the word you are looking for.

I am not partisan.

I'm moderate, I guess, but I hate political labels.

I'm thankful I'm not chained to a political ideology that dictates what I think. I feel sorry for those who are and who feel such ardent loyalty to parties and ideology that they sacrifice rational thought, common sense the the virtue of being honest.
 
Cat, my freind, anytime any enemy points a gun at you war becomes very ****ing real.

That's what makes it imperative to distinguish between war and imperialism.
 
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