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    Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Obama declares swine flu a national emergency -- latimes.com


    Receiving advisement from his Health and Human Services secretary and the CDC I'm sure, Obama has declared the
    'swine flu' (which I thought was being referred to publicly as the H1N1 virus) a national emergency.


    This declaration paves the way for health secretary to suspend federal requirements and speed treatment for thousands of infected people.

    What were the federal powers in the first place that are being suspended?

    We spoke months ago when the first wave hit and was subsequently underestimated (as it appears to have been at a governmental level) about the impacts a pandemic like this could have. Projections have the virus infecting 60% of the population of the United States. If you've been observant it is almost impossible to not have already seen some of the effects of the virus.

    Class sizes have been reduced to around 50% at the school I attend. Employers have threatened punitive measures against their workers if they come to work sick or are feeling any symptoms of the H1N1.

    If lets say for example 20% of the U.S gets flu symptoms in roughly the same 2-3 week period as the projections estimate, that is roughly 70 million people. Aside from the death toll, the causes to industry will be enormous.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Obama declares swine flu a national emergency -- latimes.com


    Receiving advisement from his Health and Human Services secretary and the CDC I'm sure, Obama has declared the
    'swine flu' (which I thought was being referred to publicly as the H1N1 virus) a national emergency.


    This declaration paves the way for health secretary to suspend federal requirements and speed treatment for thousands of infected people.

    What were the federal powers in the first place that are being suspended?

    We spoke months ago when the first wave hit and was subsequently underestimated (as it appears to have been at a governmental level) about the impacts a pandemic like this could have. Projections have the virus infecting 60% of the population of the United States. If you've been observant it is almost impossible to not have already seen some of the effects of the virus.

    Class sizes have been reduced to around 50% at the school I attend. Employers have threatened punitive measures against their workers if they come to work sick or are feeling any symptoms of the H1N1.

    If lets say for example 20% of the U.S gets flu symptoms in roughly the same 2-3 week period as the projections estimate, that is roughly 70 million people. Aside from the death toll, the causes to industry will be enormous.

    Thoughts?
    This seems like overkill.
    Half the people I know have had it now, including many at my work.
    It's just the flu, people. It's just the flu.
    Of course nobody wants it.
    I plan to get vaccinated as soon as the injections are available (I prefer not to take the nasal spray vaccine).
    But it's no reason to lose our heads entirely.
    It's just not that big a deal.

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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Thoughts?
    Last week a high school girl where I live died from H1N1. This week 900 high school students reported flu-like symptoms and the local junior college has canceled all classes until Monday.

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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    This seems like overkill.
    Half the people I know have had it now, including many at my work.
    It's just the flu, people. It's just the flu.
    Of course nobody wants it.
    I plan to get vaccinated as soon as the injections are available (I prefer not to take the nasal spray vaccine).
    But it's no reason to lose our heads entirely.
    It's just not that big a deal.

    Certainly some level headed thinking is required in a situation like this. I just feel that it has surpassed the point of 'not that big of a deal' and has the serious potential to cause a major national disruption.


    Not that big of a deal is a very relative term. When will it become that big of a deal to you? When a family member dies? When your work or school shuts down? The President of the United States declaring it a national emergency definitely adds credibility to the fact it is become a big deal.

    From the people I know who have contracted the flu, the effects are very potent and long-lasting. More so than the seasonal flu. I've heard numerous instances of people being bed-ridden for a week or more.

    Another scary aspect of the strain of flu is the deadly effects it is having on healthy middle-aged individuals.


    Seems ironic to add this at the end of the post, but I for one will never get vaccinated.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    This seems like overkill.
    Half the people I know have had it now, including many at my work.
    It's just the flu, people. It's just the flu.
    Of course nobody wants it.
    I plan to get vaccinated as soon as the injections are available (I prefer not to take the nasal spray vaccine).
    But it's no reason to lose our heads entirely.
    It's just not that big a deal.
    In a case like this, I don't think it's possible to over-react. This is a smart move, IMO. If it turns out that we over-rected for nothing, then no harm done.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    WAKE UP AND SMELL THE HYPE

    First it's sad when ever any one dies and children are the most sad to hear about. A 14 or 15 year old died a few miles from where I live near Palm Springs, but it happens every year and we never hear about and it happens in much larger numbers.
    Every year in this Country there are between 20000 and 37000 annual deaths from flu. To date there have been 1,000 way blow the average at this point. So why the all the hype? There are any number of reasons to over hype it, some are diversionary tactics to draw attention from the failing attempt to force the Obama I don't really care about your Health Plan through. Is it to draw attention away from the 150 some lies Obama has been caught it? Maybe it's to take attention away the continuing exposure of Communists and leftist radicals Obama has appointed to positions that have no real power under the Constitution.
    Then there is one other reason that comes to mind. Its The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act: An Assault on Civil Liberties in the Name of Homeland Security.
    This is no joke not a conspiracy theory but a reality in 38 States and here is some of what this act permits.
    A THREAT TO FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
    Under this legislative proposal, once a public health emergency is declared, governors and state public health authorities would be granted greatly expanded police powers. While a few other actions are enumerated, I want to bring to your attention 10 main powers conveyed into the hands of only a very few individuals by this model plan.

    Under the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, upon the declaration of a "public health emergency," governors and public health officials would be empowered to:

    1.Force individuals suspected of harboring an "infectious disease" to undergo medical examinations.
    2.Track and share an individual's personal health information, including genetic information.
    3.Force persons to be vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for infectious diseases.
    4.Mandate that all health care providers report all cases of persons who harbor any illness or health condition that may be caused by an epidemic or an infectious agent and might pose a "substantial risk" to a "significant number of people or cause a long-term disability." (Note: Neither "substantial risk" nor "significant number" are defined in the draft.)
    5.Force pharmacists to report any unusual or any increased prescription rates that may be caused by epidemic diseases.
    6.Preempt existing state laws, rules and regulations, including those relating to privacy, medical licensure, and--this is key--property rights.
    7.Control public and private property during a public health emergency, including pharmaceutical manufacturing plants, nursing homes, other health care facilities, and communications devices.
    8.Mobilize all or any part of the "organized militia into service to the state to help enforce the state's orders."
    9.Ration firearms, explosives, food, fuel and alcoholic beverages, among other commodities.
    10.Impose fines and penalties to enforce their orders.

    Read it for yourself and prepare to either fight it or submit.

    The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act: An Assault on Civil Liberties in the Name of Homeland Security

    If they come to your door what are you willing to to do to stand up to Big Brother? Nothing I suspect because they'll have guns and they don't need a warrent when they trash the Constitution until the Supreme Court puts an end to it. If they ever do. With people Obama will appoint there is little chance that would ever happen. So weclome to the New Communist States that were once America if this is allowed.
    By the way it started under Bush and Clinton not Obama.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    I have been around this block a time or two. Getting over it now, its been a bitch but I have had worse. Maybe some kind of immunity build up is why this was as mild as it was,at least on my part.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Sadly, tens of thousands of folks die during a "normal" flu season. However, only ~1,000 has died thus far and we're declaring a National Health Emergency???

    It is quite odd, IMHO. I wonder what is the real impetus behind this.

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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    I personally want to get the Swine Flu so that I am immune against it when it mutates into a zombie virus.

    This is a little over-reacting to the threat itself, but sometimes that can be a good thing. The media has made the Swine Flu to be the next Plague, and people are panicking. A panic can be more dangerous than the thing people are panicking about.

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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    A couple of co-workers got H1N1 recently. One is hospitalized because he has diabetes and his kidneys are having issues, but the same could be true if he contracted non-H1N1 strains. The other guy is just getting lots of bed rest. He is miserable and achey but he knows it's pretty normal.

    I've changed my mind about vaccines because of these incidents, but only slighty. People who are in high risk groups - such as those with pre-existing conditions who could die if they got the flu - should consider vaccination, but only if there are clear indications (i.e. past experience) that they would suffer medical distress if they contracted H1N1.

    My perception of vaccines is that they are pushed by government because of a) industry backing and profit incentives, b) the idea of lost economic productivity, and, last and certainly least, c) public health and safety. During a recession, people being struck down by illness would deepen the impact. Past empires have fallen because plague became the last straw in economically bad times.

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