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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    A couple of co-workers got H1N1 recently. One is hospitalized because he has diabetes and his kidneys are having issues, but the same could be true if he contracted non-H1N1 strains. The other guy is just getting lots of bed rest. He is miserable and achey but he knows it's pretty normal.

    I've changed my mind about vaccines because of these incidents, but only slighty. People who are in high risk groups - such as those with pre-existing conditions who could die if they got the flu - should consider vaccination, but only if there are clear indications (i.e. past experience) that they would suffer medical distress if they contracted H1N1.

    My perception of vaccines is that they are pushed by government because of a) industry backing and profit incentives, b) the idea of lost economic productivity, and, last and certainly least, c) public health and safety. During a recession, people being struck down by illness would deepen the impact. Past empires have fallen because plague became the last straw in economically bad times.
    Pity the poor schlup that gets this and donít realize that he has some hidden preexisting condition that he donít know about though.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Pity the poor schlup that gets this and donít realize that he has some hidden preexisting condition that he donít know about though.
    I support everyone's choice to seek whatever form of medicine they believe will help them; if that includes getting vaccinated, then so be it. I still affirm that H1N1 is not as serious as the media is portraying.

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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I support everyone's choice to seek whatever form of medicine they believe will help them; if that includes getting vaccinated, then so be it. I still affirm that H1N1 is not as serious as the media is portraying.
    I donít know if it is not but Iím bitching to my sons to get my grandchildren vaccinated.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I donít know if it is not but Iím bitching to my sons to get my grandchildren vaccinated.
    How old are your grand kids?

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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    How old are your grand kids?
    There stung out from five to twenty five. Not worried about the older ones just the ones under twelve.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    This seems like overkill.
    Half the people I know have had it now, including many at my work.
    It's just the flu, people. It's just the flu.
    Of course nobody wants it.
    I plan to get vaccinated as soon as the injections are available (I prefer not to take the nasal spray vaccine).
    But it's no reason to lose our heads entirely.
    It's just not that big a deal.
    Maybe you should get the H1N1 flu...and if you live through it...come back here and post. Tell us how it wasn't such a big deal; that it wasn't a bad experience to go through.

    Unlike the seasonal flu, H1N1 is primarily affecting the kids, and young adults. I suspect the real death toll is much higher than what the CDC has reported due to the fact that their posts are always one week behind. Add that fact with many cases being unreported as of yet...people with underlying medical conditions and such.

    The world is in the midst of a Level 6 Pandemic (according to WHO). Most all cases in the United States is from H1N1, instead of seasonal flu. Vaccines are in woefully short supply, and the vaccines that ARE available will go to people with priority...the children, pregnant women, and those with underlying medical conditions.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by quatrotritikali View Post
    Maybe you should get the H1N1 flu...and if you live through it...come back here and post. Tell us how it wasn't such a big deal; that it wasn't a bad experience to go through.

    Unlike the seasonal flu, H1N1 is primarily affecting the kids, and young adults. I suspect the real death toll is much higher than what the CDC has reported due to the fact that their posts are always one week behind. Add that fact with many cases being unreported as of yet...people with underlying medical conditions and such.

    The world is in the midst of a Level 6 Pandemic (according to WHO). Most all cases in the United States is from H1N1, instead of seasonal flu. Vaccines are in woefully short supply, and the vaccines that ARE available will go to people with priority...the children, pregnant women, and those with underlying medical conditions.
    Uh... live through it?
    My coworker (who works in the same room as me) was just down with it two weeks ago. Her two kids had it too.
    Half the people at my work had it.
    Guess what? They're all better now. None of them were even hospitalized.
    They just stayed home and got better (or came to work and exposed others, I suppose, since so many got it).
    It's just the flu, just the flu, just the flu.

    My city has been declared a major H1N1 hot-spot; the hospitals have set up tents in their parking lots to deal with it.
    I think it's possible that I already did have it... I was a little sick 2 weekends ago, but even knowing I'd been exposed (through work) I dismissed it as probably allergies because it never got all that bad.
    Having spoken to some of the returning sick people at work, I now realize that it doesn't always get that bad. Some cases are extremely mild, and these are cases that were positively identified as H1N1. There have probably been many undetected cases where the patient never even went to the doctor, and just got better on their own.

    Danarhea, who doesn't live too far from me, coincidentally, was down with it last week. He's back up on his feet and posting already.
    Ask him about it, if you want to know.
    It's just the flu.
    A couple of kids have died in my city, and a couple of adults have died too. But that's out of thousands- maybe tens of thousands- who have had it.
    It seems no more fatal than the ordinary seasonal flu.

    Obviously, it would be better to get the vaccine and avoid this miniscule risk... and more importantly, avoid the discomfort and loss of work involved in being sick.
    And as for the person who says they hope they get H1N1 so they can build immunity, the vaccine contains weakened live H1N1 (nasal spray) or dead H1N1 (injection), and causes your body to develop the same natural antibodies to the virus that you'd develop from actually having the virus. Either way, you build a natural immunity.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    Swine flu, Bird flu, mad cow, killer bees, etc......

    We seem to have this idea that our destruction by some natural element is just right around the corner.
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    Re: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency.

    "never let a good crisis go to waste"

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