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    Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    1. Pelosi today signalled a major reversal in house strategy concerning the public option, up to now a non-negotiable component of the hard-put speakeress' plans.

    House Leaders Woo Centrists to Back Public Plan - WSJ.com

    2. Today, Whip Clyburn suggested that Pelosi and her powerful pals were suddenly open to new concepts, including requiring that the government option negotiate payment rates directly with health insurers instead of tying them to Medicare's cheaper scheduling.

    3. Such a dramatic turnabout indicates beyond doubt that the votes for the most liberal house bill simply do not exist.

    4. Just yesterday, Ms Pelosi indicated the precise opposite, 218, she assured, were "in sight."

    5. Today, she continues to spin: "there is no philosophical difference" between the more robust PO she's insisted upon til today and competing propositions calling for more open pay scales.

    6. Then why all the pompous posturing the last two months, Ms P?

    7. The new plan with higher compensations for doctors increases the ultimate cost of Plan Pelosi, and CBO is certain to score it as such.

    8. Just yesterday, 36 house dems threatened to vote down the bill specifically because of such debt-busting objections.

    36 Moderate Democrats Threaten to Vote Down Health Bill - Roll Call

    9. Yet today Pelosi ups the price.

    10. Sister, is the put-to speakeress pinched.

    11. "People are where they are and obviously that's a little short of 218," pointed out Rep Pomeroy of North Dakota.

    12. Just last week, the palsied speakeress proclaimed that the robust PO was the plan with most potent support.

    Pelosi pushes strong public option - Patrick O'Connor - POLITICO.com

    13. Meanwhile, The Hill reports the poor speakeress summoned an "emergency meeting" this morning to maintain she has NOT dropped her most progressive of PO plans.

    Pelosi calls an emergency meeting on push for ?robust? public option - TheHill.com

    14. What?

    15. She was pressured late Thursday by her liberal leaners to whom she proffered pretty promises.

    16. Sister, is the heart-pained speakeress pinched.

    17. She reiterates to one wing her commitment to the lowest Medicare rates.

    18. Then, the Whip goes public this pm to publish the precise opposite.

    19. What?

    20. The Hill reports the San Francisco extremist is about to surrender the center of her spearhead.

    21. Still, she spins.

    22. At her Friday presser the strained speakeress was asked if she'd given up the PO.

    23. "The answer is no," she responded, "no decision on that has been made."

    24. Clyburn, meanwhile, related how he's been shopping 4 different PO's around his delegation.

    25. "We are still in the process of determining which PO suits the majority of our caucus," declaimed the head counter.

    26. Unfortunately, a majority of the caucus won't suffice, leadership needs 85%.

    27. The robust PO is the most popular, Pelosi has purported repeatedly.

    28. Yet the most progressive proposal cannot approach 218.

    29. Most ominously, though, Bart Stupak of Michigan claims he has 40 conservative congressfolk who will vote to kill Obamacare if the put-out speakeress refuses to allow a floor vote on a stand alone measure to prohibit federal funds financing abortion.

    CNSNews.com - Congressman Says He Now Has ?About 40 Likeminded Democrats? Who Will Vote to Kill Health Bill if He Doesn?t Get Floor Vote on Pro-Life Amendment

    30. "We will try---we, there's about 40 like-minded democrats like myself---we'll try to take down the rule," asserted Stupak to CNS.

    31. "If all 40 of us vote in a bloc against the rule---because we think the Republicans will join us---we can defeat the rule."

    32. "If you hold all 40 of your guys," questioned CNS, "how many do you have?"

    33. "About 220," blurted the bluedog.

    34. "They cannot bring the bill to the floor," continued the centrist.

    35. The house bill contains a clause, the Capps Amendment, requiring each health care "exchange" include at least one option subsidizing abortion.

    36. Stupak's stipulation would resemble Hyde, which forbids federal funds from financing the offing of fetuses.

    37. On the flip side, though, are the choicers, championed must staunchly by Henry Waxman, chair of Energy-Commerce, the last committee to clear health care in the house, only hours before the adjournment for August recess.

    38. "We have a difference of opinion at the moment we cannot bridge," blabbed the boardman, "we have done everything we can to ensure that there will be no federal funds for abortion services."

    39. Clearly, Stupak and his 40 feel differently.

    40. Stupak, a tall man, joked when asked if he'd reached accord with the dwarfish Waxman: "I'm a little taller," sniped Stupak, "our minds don't meet."

    My Way News - Abortion divides House Dems in health care debate

    41. But Waxman and NARAL are already dissatisfied that Plan Pelosi doesn't go FAR ENOUGH in encoding the right to choose: the house bill "singles out abortion from other health care services, but apparently it was necessary to stop anti-choice politicians from continuing to use health care reform to attack a woman's right to choose," noted NARAL president Nancy Keenan.

    42. Necessary, perchance, but not enough.

    43. Meanwhile, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops corroborated it cannot back a bill unless anti-abortion bulwarks are built up.

    44. House hetmen are torn---they can't allow Stupak to get to the floor, yet frustrating him may finish off their fancies.

    45. In another belly blow, congressional insiders have leaked the price tag for Plan Pelosi---in excess of 1T---signifcantly higher than the president's upper bound of 900B.

    My Way News - House health care bill over $1 trillion for decade

    46. And that's in advance of CBO's score.

    47. Pelosi has been gossiping about an "unreleased CBO estimate" of 871B the last few days.

    48. But "numerous officials" have undercut that accounting by more than 150B.

    49. Pelosi excludes several items designed to improve M&M benefits, as well as public subsidies and more, the anonymous bigmouths made known.

    50. Insisting on anonymity, the candid congressionals indicated they have not been authorized to announce their arithmetic.

    51. Sounds like they might get in trouble.

    52. Recall the 36 budget hawks who lobbied their leader via letter yesterday to limit her largesse, else they'd lay down on the legislation.

    53. And Obama himself has repeated in a plethora of public pronouncements his upper limit of 900B.

    54. The taller than 1T total, in addition, is dependent on Medicare's cheaper doctor's receipts, which Pelosi is reported to be on the verge of yielding.

    55. That is, when the hard-pressed speakeress is compelled to allow caregivers to negotiate freely with providers, the sum will only swell.

    56. Leadership today also added addendums to close the gap in prescription drug coverage 5 years sooner than originally conceived.

    57. "As of January 1, 2010, our legislation will give a 50% discount for brand name drugs in the donut hole, and it will close the size of the donut hole by $500," promised the pushed-around speakeress.

    58. All of which increases the cost of coverage already too high.

    59. Sister, is the pestered speakeress pinched.

    60. Her problems appear insuperable.

    Rep. Bart Stupak (D.-Mich.) told CNSNews.com yesterday that he has organized a group of “about 40 likeminded Democrats” who will vote to kill the health-care bill if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) does not allow a floor vote on his amendment to prohibit federal funds from going to insurance plans that cover abortion.
    CNSNews.com - Congressman Says He Now Has ?About 40 Likeminded Democrats? Who Will Vote to Kill Health Bill if He Doesn?t Get Floor Vote on Pro-Life Amendment


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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    An illegible word salad.

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    I am interested in the title of your thread. Which article discusses that topic? I found the article about Stupak (the MyWay article?), but it doesn't say he has 40 votes in it. Does another article say that?



    btw, in BN, post titles must match article titles, include short excerpted paragraphs from the article, and your commentary on that article.

    It's kinda hard to figure out which link has the article which the title indicates, and it's even harder to weed thru a 60-pt bullet list and multiple links to find it.


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    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058155572
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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I am interested in the title of your thread. Which article discusses that topic? I found the article about Stupak (the MyWay article?), but it doesn't say he has 40 votes in it. Does another article say that?



    btw, in BN, post titles must match article titles, include short excerpted paragraphs from the article, and your commentary on that article.

    It's kinda hard to figure out which link has the article which the title indicates, and it's even harder to weed thru a 60-pt bullet list and multiple links to find it.


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    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058155572
    i'm sorry if it's too hard

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i'm sorry if it's too hard
    I also asked a question: which article points to the 40 votes rounded up?

    edit: never mind, I see you posted in another reply. ty.

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    I can't keep up with the healthcare merry go round. The house has been insisting on the necessity of a public option. At the same time the senate has been just as insistent that there will be no public option in their bill. Today, it seems that the two sides have changed places. Where's the leadership?

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by bridge buff View Post
    I can't keep up with the healthcare merry go round. The house has been insisting on the necessity of a public option. At the same time the senate has been just as insistent that there will be no public option in their bill. Today, it seems that the two sides have changed places. Where's the leadership?

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    absolutely, you get it

    pelosi surrendered the PO

    also, the dogs threaten to kill the whole thing over abortion

    and the cost exceeds 1T

    a relatively minor point, tho one definitely threatening to pull obamacare's plug, concerns the payment scheduling for caregivers

    it's what precipitated the doc fix in the senate wednesday which WENT DOWN

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by bridge buff View Post
    I can't keep up with the healthcare merry go round. The house has been insisting on the necessity of a public option. At the same time the senate has been just as insistent that there will be no public option in their bill. Today, it seems that the two sides have changed places. Where's the leadership?

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by bridge buff View Post
    I can't keep up with the healthcare merry go round. The house has been insisting on the necessity of a public option. At the same time the senate has been just as insistent that there will be no public option in their bill. Today, it seems that the two sides have changed places. Where's the leadership?

    J.P. Bill


    It has seemed like a trip thru the rabbit hole today. I'm tired of the sausage making and want to see the final bills in each House. Actually, what I really want to see is the conference report!

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