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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    61. But, I could be wrong.

    62. Sadly, no.

    63. Jesus wept.

    64. Get more non-sequiturs at: The-Prof.org

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    thus spaketh the personality whore

    the whip whined, no more PO

    the dog barked, bye bye abortion

    the cbo sighed, too much

    heaved the hill, worried the wsj, reported roll call, complained politico, sang cns

    36 write a letter---they'll KILL it

    40 fire a baby loving cannonball

    and 1991 numbers non sequiturs

    LOL!

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    An illegible word salad.
    You should have continued on to 4th Grade.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You should have continued on to 4th Grade.
    If Prof wasn't the only rightie left that can communicate coherantly would you still be so tolerant of his word salads?

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    revealing updates on health care from the sunday talks:

    abc's stephy (parpaphrasing): you were one of the 13 who voted against the doc fix

    claire mccaskill: we're going to do do a 1 year fix now, i'm a deficit hawk, we can't afford to do nothing

    stephy: do you think the ama will be satisfied with a 1 year fix

    mccaskill: there's a lot of misinformation out there, this is not an all encompassing govt plan, it's like the plan for congress members, hospitals are worried, doctors are worried, pharmaceuticals are worried, insurance companies are worried, the american people are worried, the devil we know is worse than the one we don't

    stephy: reid is tinkering with various public options, negotiate pay scales or tie to medicare rates, state-by-state options, opt in vs opt out?

    mccaskill: these are votes on choices, there's the states opt in, there's the states opt out, there's the trigger, no line in the sand for me, we must reconfigure health care for the long term

    stephy---snowe says she won't support anything but the trigger, she says the robust PO puts the govt in a disproportionate position, are you driving away your only republican

    mccaskill---sure, i'm concerned about votes but i'm pretty optimistic, if we get ben nelson, evan bayh and lieberman they will attract moderate republicans, the PO is limited anyway, it's only for about 25 to 30 million americans in the exchange, it's all about options

    ***

    abc's panel:

    george will: a collaborative media are manufacturing a sense of inevitability, they need nelson, bayh and landrieu, i'm dubious

    john podesta: there's been enormous progress, small business will see their premiums increase 15% next year if we do nothing (ny times, front page today), that's impetus, there's the opt in, the opt out, the trigger, it remains to be seen, reid is vote counting, he's trying to get to 60, he's going for snowe

    stephy: will snowe support a filibuster

    al hunt: she's from maine, she means what she says (hunt did a one on one interview this week with ms olympia and he is being treated as the snowe expert, here), i'm not sure what reid's doing, they need snowe for health care, for cover, if they play for snowe and lose then they'll lose

    laura ingraham: snowe is getting less blowback from her constituents than are moderate dems, there's public angst over this, even at this table, none of us knows what's in the plan

    stephy: there's only 12 million included in the option, and that's before the opt out

    cynthia tucker: this is neither the panacea nor the evil govt takeover it's being painted as, reid needs 60, he should get it plus snowe, they might vote "no" later but they'll give him 60

    will: more twists coming, amendments on the floor, and they won't put it online for 72 hours

    stephy: pelosi says she won't allow any amendments, good idea?

    hunt: you can do what you want in the house, snowe's trigger compromise is something all can rally around

    ***

    cnn's state of the union with john king

    king shows ad from nebraska: ben nelson promised no taxes but health care includes huge increases

    king: will you support a filibuster

    nelson: no promises, it would be reckless to approve procedurals without knowing what's in the bill

    king: opt out or only opt in?

    nelson: opt in maybe, opt out no, i don't know where it's going

    king to sharrod brown of ohio: snowe, snowe, snowe, lynn woolsey (progressive leader in house) says this is the united states of america not the us of maine

    brown: i can't support snowe's trigger, we've given insurance companies 50 years, we can't give em 2 more, pre existing conditions, a c-section in southwest ohio, a victim of domestic violence, denied cuzza pre existing conditions

    king: is that a line in the sand

    brown: no lines, 52 or 53 or 54 support the (robust) PO, says harkin (HELP chairman)

    king: premiums on small biz to go up 15% next year, says the times

    orrin hatch: medicare contains 38 trillion dollars of unfunded liability, it's broke, if reid gets 60 we'll have a PO, guaranteed, medicare costs exceed privates by 33% in ny, by 100% in utah, this is a fiasco, the mandates on states, the bill is 1500 pages, there are 6 republican plans, there are huge tax increases, higher premiums, deficit increases, it all comes down to 60, republicans want 50 state laboratories

    king: do you care if you get republican votes

    brown: i'd love republican votes, republicans offered dozens of amendments in finance, 38 trillion is a myth

    nelson (from conservative nebraska): it's landmark legislation, it really should have 2/3 support, the state based PO could get 2/3, utah's problems are not CA's, not nebraska's

    king: there's the opt in, the opt out, the trigger, the co op

    jim combat boots webb from VA: nelson's quote is classic, it's difficult to see even what we're voting for, the white house should have come down with a clean template of what they wanted

    king: the co op approach like kent conrad?

    webb: in a perfect world, yes

    king: what if reid says there's no perfect world, the opt out?

    webb: these are interesting options, of course they're all very new, i will vote for a debate, i will not filibuster, i may not support the final piece but i will vote to get it to the floor

    ***

    me: they're very divided over the opt in, opt out (that's new)

    they really resent snowe

    they're also frustrated about being left in the dark

    last week they were split over doctor's pay rates, libs want medicare scheduling, ruralists INSIST no way

    it appears they've moved past that and kent conrad got his way

    but doing so busts the cbo

    think for yourself, judge for yourself, i tried not to editorialize a word, here

    thanks
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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    think for yourself, judge for yourself, i tried not to editorialize a word, here

    thanks

    You did a good job, Prof. Really useful info. Thx


    (but you did editorialize with 'Jim Combat Boots Webb' - teasing! )

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    wow, class

    thanks

    good luck to your side

    a lot of your folks at working their butts off for their team

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    thx, Prof

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    the last word on health care, sunday

    (i certainly caught most if not all the discussions---i never get around to cbs' ftn with schieffer---like i do most sundays i took notes):

    (i offer the following for your information and elucidation, simply):

    mtp, nbc:

    gregory: 61% want a PO, will it be there?

    schumer: reid is leaning very strongly toward a PO with states-opt-out, pay rates at medicare +5%, or negotiate rates, 40 states have markets dominated by 2 or fewer providers, you're not required to take the PO, it's an option

    gregory: conservative dems, snowe, will they support?

    schumer: reid is a wizard vote counter, libs want a stronger option but we're willing to live with it, some mods like the states opt out, others don't but won't kill the bill, we're close to 60 for the opt out

    cornyn: reid counted last week and 13 dems defeated his doc fix, he's having big problems holding his dems together, he's maxed out the nation's credit card, now they want to increase the debt ceiling

    gregory: who's to blame for the debt?

    cornyn: 1.1T stimulus, health care makes phony assumptions which will never occur like medicare cuts of half a tril, we need to free up purchase across state lines, the PO is a trojan horse for single payer

    schumer: we're trying to pay for everything, we're working to add not a nickel to the deficit, bush never paid for his prescription plan, bush gave us a huge deficit, it's counterintuitive but true---obama is trying to control costs, our health care for example is more limited than many want, republicans need to join us

    cornyn: judd gregg, difi, kent conrad and i wrote a letter to reid---don't raise the deficit, control these things

    ***

    fox news sunday panel:

    chris wallace: pelosi promised this week the robust PO, the PO was once dead, what happened?

    bill krystol: the PO is alive but health care will fail, taxes, higher premiums, that's IF it comes to the floor which i'm still waiting for

    mara liason: they're going step by difficult step, they're backing away from robust PO, there's opt ins, opt outs and triggers, the PO was revived after reaction to AHIP's report (claiming premiums would go up), the search for 60 continues, the robust PO may arise thru amendment, or snowe's trigger, it will win or lose fair and square

    dana perino (bush's press secty): the PO has 9 lives, a field of dreams strategy, if you build it they will come, facts don't back it up, the doc fix defeat, they're wasting time on the PO

    juan wms: that's a whacky question, of course PO is alive, it's thriving, polls are high on PO, insurance co's are ripping off americans

    krystol: 46 to 48 oppose obama on health care (waving a newspaper, he and wms talk over each other), medicare cuts, tax hikes

    wms: you're appealing to the worst fears of seniors, reid is committed to PO

    krystol: 47 to 53 on the doc fix

    (they continued a few more comments, but you can see where this is going)

    ***

    me: concerning the opt-in/opt-out debate, you probably want to know---the left wants opt out, the centrists prefer opt in

    if states are allowed to opt in, then red regions will never be a part

    if opt out, the thinking is, it will be difficult to disengage once you're involved

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    Re: Stupak Says He Has 40 To Kill Health Care Over Abortion

    one more pertinent development today---the huffington post reports on russ feingold's comments made today on cbs, ftn

    from the article:

    the white house thinks reid's whip count is too optimistic


    it is (trust me, i could tell you how i know, but it would take several paragraphs)

    part of the administration's reasoning is that if you don't have snowe on board you end up losing the votes of a handful of conservative democrats, so the white house is pushing an alternative proposal that would have the public plan triggered in by economic conditions

    feingold (also from the article, but in the senator's words, not the reporter's): "to me that would be a serious gap and it would be a very strong reason not to support [the bill]"

    "we need a PO, we need something that would cause some control over the abuses that have occured in the insurance industry"

    triggers are "just an invitation for the insurance industry to manipulate the situation for a couple years just so they can avoid the trigger and convince members of congress to delay it again, we need to do something now"

    feingold was not asked whether he'd support a filibuster

    Feingold: No Public Option A "Strong Reason" Not To Support Reform

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