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The Fox News war: What’s the upside for Obama?

Guys, calling someone a liar is a huge accusation. In doing so, you put the burden of proof on yourself of prove your claim lest you lose credibility and all your lost credibility goes straight to the person you were trying to knock down.

That being said....GD can't prove that FNC lies. They post a few whacko links from google and MM. That's nothing, if they lie then more than MM would have evidence of it.

GD has lost credibility in my book and I just got here. If you make such a claim, you MUST have proof ready. Undeniable, unbiased proof. Otherwise you blow your credibility and no one will even bother acknowledging you in the future. And I don't want that to happen to you, GD. After all, ya gotta nice lookin' dog in your avatar photo. Its really appropriate though. That dog is as loyal to its owner as you are the the democratic party!! :mrgreen:
 
Goobieman said:
In other words, hope to keep other networks from picking up any news story that only FNC would break.

Why is that?

Because FNC is (supposedly) overly critical of The Obama's administration, and therefore woudl look for things that other networks might not.

:shock:

Doesnt that denote a flaw in the other networks, rather than FNC?
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Your far-right conspiracy theory is flawed in several ways:

1) You'd have people believe that multi-national media corporations like Disney(ABC), Time-Warner(CNN), and GE(NBC) are would be willing to lose money (ratings) by not covering an important or relevant story just to protect the image of President Obama.

2) When Fox crows about being the only network to cover a specific story--that does not mean the particular story has any merit or is without bias in it's coverage.

3) You completely ignore the ratio of Opinion to News on FNC. And the amount of editorial content that finds its way into the straight news shows.

If you were going to start a conservative cable TV network, wouldn't it be a brilliant marketing strategy to convince the public that the other networks were less reliable because they have a liberal bias??

That way people from right-of-center to far-right would tune in immediately and you could grab up a huge market share right out of the gate. You'd be smart to time the start of this network during a Democratic presidency--like Bill Clinton.

But the key to this strategy would be a tag line that would further convince everyone you're a legitimate news endeavor without bias -- something like "Fair and Balanced".
 
I've only been in here for two days, and so far, I fine the moderates and independents more liberal in their statements then the Liberals are. Weird!!
 
hazlnut said:
Your far-right conspiracy theory is flawed in several ways:

1) You'd have people believe that multi-national media corporations like Disney(ABC), Time-Warner(CNN), and GE(NBC) are would be willing to lose money (ratings) by not covering an important or relevant story just to protect the image of President Obama.

2) When Fox crows about being the only network to cover a specific story--that does not mean the particular story has any merit or is without bias in it's coverage.

3) You completely ignore the ratio of Opinion to News on FNC. And the amount of editorial content that finds its way into the straight news shows.

If you were going to start a conservative cable TV network, wouldn't it be a brilliant marketing strategy to convince the public that the other networks were less reliable because they have a liberal bias??

That way people from right-of-center to far-right would tune in immediately and you could grab up a huge market share right out of the gate. You'd be smart to time the start of this network during a Democratic presidency--like Bill Clinton.

But the key to this strategy would be a tag line that would further convince everyone you're a legitimate news endeavor without bias -- something like "Fair and Balanced".
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Hmmm.

One wonders, then, about a "strategy" to "convince everyone" that Fox News is "not news."

Naaaah. Would never happen, because those who say so are far too noble.
 
PeopleforFreedom said:
I've only been in here for two days, and so far, I fine the moderates and independents more liberal in their statements then the Liberals are. Weird!!
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Welcome to DP, where self-described "moderates" and "centrists" are almost unfailingly hyper-partisan liberal. :roll:
 
hazlnut said:
1) You'd have people believe that multi-national media corporations like Disney(ABC), Time-Warner(CNN), and GE(NBC) are would be willing to lose money (ratings) by not covering an important or relevant story just to protect the image of President Obama.
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Look at everyone else's rating compared to FNC. Obviously, FNC is doing something the rest of them aren't.

2) When Fox crows about being the only network to cover a specific story--that does not mean the particular story has any merit or is without bias in it's coverage.
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Nor does it instantaneously make it a lie, either.

3) You completely ignore the ratio of Opinion to News on FNC. And the amount of editorial content that finds its way into the straight news shows.
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Again, that's not proof of lieing.

Don't like'em? Don't watch'em. End of story.
 
PeopleforFreedom said:
I've only been in here for two days, and so far, I fine the moderates and independents more liberal in their statements then the Liberals are. Weird!!
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You noticed that, too? I think it's because there are alotta Libbos that are afraid to call themselves Liberals.
 
apdst said:
What it boils down to, is that you're just pissed because FNC didn't lie and coverup for PBO's failures, like the rest of the MSM.

FNC is telling the truth and therein lies the problem that the Libbos are having with them.
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Provide ACTUAL PROOF that they are telling the truth?...Hugh will be waiting..Thanks.
 
goldendog said:
Provide links that they are telling the truth apdst.
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Why? So you can scream, "ooh, ooh, liar, liar, pants on fire"?

If you can't post actual evidence of a lie, then you're just dead wrong. This crazy tactic isn't going to work.
 
apdst said:
Why? So you can scream, "ooh, ooh, liar, liar, pants on fire"?

If you can't post actual evidence of a lie, then you're just dead wrong. This crazy tactic isn't going to work.
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So by your admission...they aren't telling the truth?
 
goldendog said:
So by your admission...they aren't telling the truth?
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Now, you're going to resort to putting words into my mouth?...:rofl

I think I hear you maw callin'. It's time for supper.
 
apdst said:
Now, you're going to resort to putting words into my mouth?...:rofl

I think I hear you maw callin'. It's time for supper.
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We'll be waiting for that ACTUAL PROOF that they are in fact telling the truth apdst...
 
goldendog said:
We'll be waiting for that ACTUAL PROOF that they are in fact telling the truth apdst...
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I'm still waiting on you to provide proof that they lie. It's far too easy to provide proof that they are telling the truth. But since FOX News lies so much (as you alluded to), how about some proof now instead of dancing around the issue.

:sinking:
 
Hugh_Akston said:
I'm still waiting on you to provide proof that they lie. It's far too easy to provide proof that they are telling the truth. But since FOX News lies so much (as you alluded to), how about some proof now instead of dancing around the issue.

:sinking:
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I posted plenty of vid links that proves my case..you not accepting them does not mean they are not factual.

The only one you watched is about FOX being a shill for the Republican party in the form of directly sponsoring the teabag parties.

Now how about those easy links that Fox does not distort and lie and infact tells the truthful side of new stories and no way is a shill for the Republican party in any form what so ever.
 
hazlnut said:
The upside I see is individuals starting to look at FNC with a more critical eye. Becoming aware of the difference between News and Editorial.

I smile ironically when I hear "Fair and Balanced" -- it's funny, because FNC is anything but... The more people see that, the better.
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You must be judging Fox News Channel by Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. They do not pretend to be fair and balanced even though Hannity has liberals on his show doing a good job of presenting their cases.

What is Fair and Balanced is "Studio B with Shepard Smith" at 3 PM eastern M-F and "Your World with Neil Cavuto" at 4 PM.

I just bet that fairness is why Chris Wallace and John Stossel are now with FNC. They are the fairest of journalists.
 
Nail Biter said:
...For some great short clips of what I'm talking about, visit mediamatters.org
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apdst said:
The real question, is do you watch FNC? Because, it's not all they do. I believe you think what Media Matters tells you think. You probably still believe that Bush was AWOL...:rofl
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I watch FOX News for giggles but admit I enjoy Bill O'reilly:2razz:
 
Kali said:
I watch FOX News for giggles but admit I enjoy Bill O'reilly:2razz:
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Oh sure you do, you watch it for giggles. I'll just bet you do. Now that's funny. :rofl
 
hazlnut said:
The upside I see is individuals starting to look at FNC with a more critical eye.
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No, they won't. Even in the wake up the Obama Admin. attacks, FNC's ratings are huge. People LIKE Fox News.

Becoming aware of the difference between News and Editorial.
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....is something the White House is struggling to do. They focus on "Glenn Beck" and "Hannity", both of which are opinion shows, not news shows.
 
Kali said:
I watch FOX News for giggles but admit I enjoy Bill O'reilly:2razz:
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Not only for giggles, but for some of the best reporting in the biz.

I mean, c'mon Libbos, one-n-all, FNC regularly has big shot Libbos like Bob Beckle, Juan Williams, Kirsten Powers, Allen Combs, just to name a few. Hell, Juan Williams filled in for O'Reilly recently. When has Olberman, or Larry King had Juan Williams as a fill in?
 
Harshaw said:
Welcome to DP, where self-described "moderates" and "centrists" are almost unfailingly hyper-partisan liberal. :roll:
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LOL... they're Swedish Moderates.

Progressives, Independents, Moderates, it's a thin veil, but theses people and their Party leaders like to try to fool the public.

No different from Obama calling himself, F*** this is funny now... ROTFLOL... a Uniter.
 
This is just another example of how Obama is running the least presidential administration in the history of this country. No wonder people like Russia and China laugh at him.

Isn't Lil Kim due for another missile test soon?

We are in real trouble. We can't afford another Jimmy Carter right now and that is exactly what we've got.
 
Fox News Refutes Reports That 'Pay Czar' Interview Never Was Requested - Political News - FOXNews.com

A Fox News executive refuted on Saturday reports that the White House didn't make the administration's "pay czar" available for an interview because the network didn't ask.
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Mooooore bull. These people are revealing themselves as a bunch of compulsive liars. Making one fib, following it with another without batting an eye.

What's the upside for Obama?
He should have KNOWN there isn't one within a trillion miles. But Barry POTUS (aka The Decider) actually had to learn about the phenomenon called The 1st Amendment and freedom of the press the hard way.

Barry POTUS is "The Decider", like a long list of despots... including his buddy Hugo... what a real News Network is. That's on his resume now. The Decider.

Such a brilliant lad.

It reveals volumes about where this guy's head is. In danger of asphyxiation.

Where does Obama and his trons think we live? Cuba? Venezuela?

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